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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/167 Thanks! 1 00:00:09,070 --> 00:00:10,959 Today with us here, we have Albuquerque's 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,059 going to talk about anonymity and 3 00:00:13,060 --> 00:00:14,829 privacy in public spaces and on the 4 00:00:14,830 --> 00:00:15,909 internet. 5 00:00:15,910 --> 00:00:17,079 And she's going to do that by a 6 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,080 constructive proof. 7 00:00:19,030 --> 00:00:21,139 Abubakar first appeared at 8 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:23,649 the Euro 2012 at Sea Bass, 9 00:00:23,650 --> 00:00:25,779 and she has won the last two hacker 10 00:00:25,780 --> 00:00:27,879 Jeopardy's at the Chaos Communication 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,779 Congress. 12 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:30,069 And so please welcome. 13 00:00:30,070 --> 00:00:31,070 Hello, welcome. 14 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:38,389 I did not only managed to win the Hacker 15 00:00:38,390 --> 00:00:40,639 Jeopardy this year, it was also 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,919 I won the bingo, I had five in a row 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:43,920 and Hacker Jeopardy. 18 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,439 I'm really sorry about the delay 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,279 now, but we're having some trouble. 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,770 We can't use some trackpad, 21 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:56,509 but then I can't take off my gloves 22 00:00:56,510 --> 00:00:58,669 because I have nothing left 23 00:00:58,670 --> 00:00:59,959 to compare. 24 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:00,960 So 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:03,960 we need assistance. 26 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:06,289 That would be nice. 27 00:01:06,290 --> 00:01:07,290 Thank you. 28 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:11,179 So my talk is going to be 29 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:13,429 about anonymity and privacy in public 30 00:01:13,430 --> 00:01:14,809 space and on the internet. 31 00:01:14,810 --> 00:01:16,879 And of course, this is not really 32 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,009 anonymity. This is, of course, a 33 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:20,010 pseudonym. 34 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,790 Alan Walker is an avatar. 35 00:01:24,860 --> 00:01:27,049 And first, I would like to to 36 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:28,400 start with a disclaimer. 37 00:01:30,290 --> 00:01:32,449 So this is, 38 00:01:32,450 --> 00:01:33,769 of course, parody. 39 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:35,569 Please don't throw any stones. 40 00:01:42,790 --> 00:01:44,679 And of course, I'm also aware that I'm 41 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,779 not wearing a burka, but a 42 00:01:46,780 --> 00:01:47,780 niqab, 43 00:01:49,570 --> 00:01:52,479 this kind of process is called niqab. 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,729 And to explain the term 45 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:55,730 and work on 46 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:59,080 this is the tinfoil burka. 47 00:02:00,790 --> 00:02:02,889 So you might 48 00:02:02,890 --> 00:02:05,349 be familiar with the concept of tinfoil 49 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:06,489 hats. 50 00:02:06,490 --> 00:02:09,129 This is a derogatory term, derogatory 51 00:02:09,130 --> 00:02:11,529 term for people who are concerned 52 00:02:11,530 --> 00:02:12,579 about privacy 53 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,759 and information privacy 54 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,069 and are friendly. 55 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:20,179 Herod already talked about 56 00:02:20,180 --> 00:02:23,229 the chuckle ordinance, or the 57 00:02:23,230 --> 00:02:25,449 German digital natives 58 00:02:25,450 --> 00:02:27,729 have a debate between the 59 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:30,669 people fighting for privacy and the right 60 00:02:30,670 --> 00:02:32,769 for information privacy 61 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:34,929 and those who will call it a fucking. 62 00:02:34,930 --> 00:02:36,909 They fight for people's privacy because 63 00:02:36,910 --> 00:02:39,039 they think that privacy is outdated and 64 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,139 we would all have a better life 65 00:02:41,140 --> 00:02:43,809 if nobody had any privacy at all. 66 00:02:43,810 --> 00:02:46,479 So this is actually a point 67 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,220 the parody on a tinfoil hat. 68 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:55,069 And we decided 69 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:57,319 to well, I decided to wear 70 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,569 a niqab and not a burqa, because 71 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:01,549 this is kind of an inversion of the sense 72 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:04,129 of by by the way, anonymity 73 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:05,130 allows company 74 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,609 and well 75 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:12,709 to cite Oscar Wilde 76 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:14,869 man, at least himself when 77 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:16,669 he talks and his own person give them a 78 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:18,749 mosque and he will tell you the truth. 79 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:21,799 I don't know if that's true, but 80 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,749 on the internet, nobody knows that I'm a 81 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:24,799 dog. 82 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,800 Oh, sorry. 83 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,080 Well, um, 84 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:33,409 so this 85 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:36,859 notion has cringed a bit changed 86 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:39,259 a bit. Now, people on the internet 87 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:41,269 do know that you a dog. 88 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:43,520 And I think 89 00:03:44,870 --> 00:03:45,870 this. 90 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:50,659 Well, that seems to be 91 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:51,660 company. 92 00:03:53,810 --> 00:03:54,810 So 93 00:03:57,470 --> 00:03:58,520 I don't know. What 94 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:01,399 are you, Alan Walker? 95 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,800 I seem to be a new book, huh? 96 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:06,259 And I seem not to be a dog, and I 97 00:04:06,260 --> 00:04:08,419 hope that nothing indicates 98 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:10,999 that I'm a different book, though 99 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,369 we have an apparent change in size 100 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:14,370 between the two of us. 101 00:04:15,470 --> 00:04:17,969 But this illustrates 102 00:04:17,970 --> 00:04:19,190 the underdog then, 103 00:04:22,190 --> 00:04:23,190 but we're not coming. 104 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:29,149 And this goes to illustrate that 105 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:31,369 anonymity loves company that you need to 106 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:34,429 be more than one to have privacy. 107 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:36,110 So whenever you give yourself a mask, 108 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:39,829 you'll cover the bit and you'll cover 109 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:40,969 something towards others. 110 00:04:40,970 --> 00:04:43,099 But as we just saw in the comic fans, 111 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,269 it was people trying to invade the 112 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:47,509 privacy, no matter what you do. 113 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:49,609 And we would like to give an 114 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:51,679 analogy to to the internet. 115 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,899 So some of you might have seen the talk 116 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:55,999 by Jacob Appelbaum and Roger Dingle's 117 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,309 line about Tor, 118 00:04:58,310 --> 00:05:00,409 which is one concept of what we call a 119 00:05:00,410 --> 00:05:02,599 privacy enhancing technology 120 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,579 because it strips away information about 121 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:07,249 you and provides 122 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:08,839 privacy to a certain degree. 123 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:12,439 And there's four different aspects of 124 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,689 doing internet access 125 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:16,219 and inside communication. 126 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:18,019 You'll have different tools that strip 127 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:19,669 away some of the information, some of the 128 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:20,670 metadata. 129 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:23,779 But the technology in this case strip 130 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:26,059 away information about our 131 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:27,529 identities. 132 00:05:27,530 --> 00:05:28,279 I guess. 133 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:29,280 I guess so. 134 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,989 But of course, the question is what 135 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:34,399 is the analogy? 136 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,400 So 137 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:38,660 we'll will have 138 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:41,779 differences. We have anonymity and 139 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:43,939 student committee and 140 00:05:43,940 --> 00:05:46,669 some tools provide sort of limiting 141 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:48,799 like remodelers in the 1990s 142 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,449 and unpin at fee provided you with an 143 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:52,579 address that was a pseudonym, but 144 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:54,559 that pseudonym could always be attributed 145 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,989 towards you in the event that the 146 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:59,239 correlation register would be taken 147 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,399 away as it had been done due to 148 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,629 the Church of Scientology. 149 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,599 And so what we strive for is anonymity, 150 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,519 but it's always a goal and we're never 151 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,520 going to be perfect. 152 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,629 But at least in technical matters, we can 153 00:06:11,630 --> 00:06:13,129 do so on the internet. We have tools 154 00:06:13,130 --> 00:06:14,630 where we strive to reach anonymity. 155 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,159 But what about away from keyboard? 156 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,319 What about in real life, as the others 157 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,189 call it, 158 00:06:22,190 --> 00:06:24,679 how can you participate in a social event 159 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,749 just as Chaos Communication Congress 160 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:27,750 anonymously? 161 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:31,629 And of course, there's people who have 162 00:06:31,630 --> 00:06:33,879 found an answer out 163 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,679 there, you'll all know Anonymous 164 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:39,279 who go around in Guy Fawkes masks 165 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,449 and are anonymous. 166 00:06:41,590 --> 00:06:43,149 But the problem is it's still a 167 00:06:43,150 --> 00:06:45,849 relatively small group of people 168 00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:47,799 that have a common set of values that you 169 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:48,800 can attribute to. 170 00:06:50,140 --> 00:06:51,849 So what do you do? You try to spread the 171 00:06:51,850 --> 00:06:52,850 meme, right? 172 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:55,359 And all of a sudden you see people in 173 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,429 parliament wearing masks, wearing Guy 174 00:06:57,430 --> 00:07:00,129 Fawkes masks, trying to be anonymous. 175 00:07:00,130 --> 00:07:02,230 But that's the people in power already. 176 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:06,699 And the question is, furthermore, 177 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,059 what is the basis for trying 178 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:12,489 to strip away anonymity? 179 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:14,769 What is the wish of the state 180 00:07:14,770 --> 00:07:16,449 to take away our anonymity? 181 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:20,499 And there's different aspects, really. 182 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:21,939 One that we should talk about talking 183 00:07:21,940 --> 00:07:24,399 about burqas or niqabs 184 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,949 is lice. ISM is the way to 185 00:07:26,950 --> 00:07:29,529 try and separate the state and religion. 186 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:31,179 The French secularity law. 187 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:35,049 But in fact, it 188 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:37,449 made it a criminal act to wear a burqa 189 00:07:37,450 --> 00:07:38,450 in public in France. 190 00:07:40,450 --> 00:07:41,869 And we have the same in Germany. 191 00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:42,919 There's a great German. 192 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,499 What we have found no translation into 193 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:45,939 the English language. This seems not to 194 00:07:45,940 --> 00:07:47,739 be a concept known to people in the 195 00:07:47,740 --> 00:07:48,740 English world. 196 00:07:50,410 --> 00:07:52,569 It's a ban on wearing face coverings. 197 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:54,070 It's called pheromones for board. 198 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,489 You're not allowed to wear 199 00:07:57,490 --> 00:08:00,939 a burqa or a mask at a demonstration 200 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:03,009 because the state says we have 201 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:05,139 a right to know who you are if you 202 00:08:05,140 --> 00:08:06,140 want to protest. 203 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,519 And so what is the way of doing this? 204 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,669 We tried to do this interventionist art 205 00:08:12,670 --> 00:08:15,069 and show that we're at a conference 206 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:16,749 and you can be anonymous and you can win 207 00:08:16,750 --> 00:08:17,890 prizes and game shows, 208 00:08:19,660 --> 00:08:21,189 but anonymity comes with cost. 209 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:22,929 It's unbelievably warm in here, for 210 00:08:22,930 --> 00:08:23,589 instance. 211 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:26,139 Yeah, not very practical. 212 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:28,869 This government can't use my track card. 213 00:08:28,870 --> 00:08:31,149 I'm sweating like, hell, I'm thirsty. 214 00:08:32,590 --> 00:08:34,359 And at the moment somebody tries to 215 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,279 address you and they will come and say, I 216 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,450 love BookCon, but 217 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:40,239 whom do they mean? 218 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,499 Me, you you. 219 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:44,009 I'm on my new book, 220 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,869 so we'll face a lot of practical problems 221 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:48,639 that we don't know how to address if we 222 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,769 strip away identifying information 223 00:08:50,770 --> 00:08:52,419 that really helps us in our everyday 224 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:54,309 social interactions and transactions to 225 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:56,709 make clear who you are 226 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:57,309 because 227 00:08:57,310 --> 00:08:59,559 this is an issue of losing 228 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:01,809 control. Obviously, someone has 229 00:09:01,810 --> 00:09:03,879 entered my stage and is giving 230 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:04,880 my talk. 231 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:15,619 Same thing with with anonymous, anybody 232 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:18,709 can be anonymous and claim to 233 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:21,439 to be the official spokesperson. 234 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,699 Wait, what? I am the official 235 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:25,849 spokesperson for Anonymous. 236 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:27,349 No, for other Burka. 237 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:28,350 Who are you? 238 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,049 Maybe I should 239 00:09:32,050 --> 00:09:33,789 find my way as we see anonymity, allows 240 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:35,439 companies to bring back and hammer back 241 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,440 to the message. 242 00:09:37,570 --> 00:09:39,699 You'll need to be anonymous, to be 243 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:41,829 anonymous, you need to have company, 244 00:09:41,830 --> 00:09:43,869 but it's hard to distinguish between 245 00:09:43,870 --> 00:09:46,029 those who are anonymous, and that's 246 00:09:46,030 --> 00:09:46,809 good for a number of 247 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:48,130 your own hourly workers. 248 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:51,249 And let's be hundreds of us 249 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:51,699 now. 250 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,799 Let's be hundreds and solve the 251 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,959 problems. So what are the 252 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,119 problems? How can we build trust 253 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,159 among people who are anonymous on the 254 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,590 internet and away from keyboard? 255 00:10:06,130 --> 00:10:07,130 Are you finished? 256 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Is this my talk? 257 00:10:21,060 --> 00:10:22,060 Any questions? 258 00:10:32,530 --> 00:10:35,259 Well, everybody seems to be so, 259 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:36,340 yeah, I guess 260 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,679 you already did, but you know, please 261 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,869 thank the shared Avatar 262 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:45,369 Olu worker again for the dog.