0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/541 Thanks! 1 00:03:58,770 --> 00:04:01,649 And looking at the height and everything 2 00:04:01,650 --> 00:04:03,729 to the Internet for a computer, 3 00:04:03,730 --> 00:04:06,569 for microcontroller through SMS, 4 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:08,729 so I myself could be cheap, so use 5 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:11,069 that. So that's one example that what 6 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:13,589 these network, what this technology, 7 00:04:13,590 --> 00:04:14,909 what this summit does. 8 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,278 But so that's that's 9 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,109 one of the product I just told the mobile 10 00:04:20,110 --> 00:04:22,299 show, the monitoring, some slides about 11 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:24,729 that, but 12 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:26,859 they suddenly start 2007 13 00:04:26,860 --> 00:04:29,049 and there was just some 14 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:31,329 it's just July 15 00:04:31,330 --> 00:04:33,849 that happened just in December, 16 00:04:33,850 --> 00:04:36,399 just one month, summer time of summer. 17 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,629 And one of the problems that we work 18 00:04:37,630 --> 00:04:39,909 about social impact is 19 00:04:39,910 --> 00:04:42,009 how can you keep the continuity of 20 00:04:42,010 --> 00:04:44,109 the project, how you keep 21 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:46,479 it going and brought it coming 22 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,099 and keep going. 23 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,829 And from this moment, the ideas 24 00:04:50,830 --> 00:04:53,589 become idea and they call 25 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:54,659 international develop. 26 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,929 Innovation Network is 27 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:59,319 an international network that work. 28 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,959 We just kind of project and become bigger 29 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,049 than just this summit. 30 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:06,970 And together, these 31 00:05:08,110 --> 00:05:10,419 I like to I like to say about how 32 00:05:10,420 --> 00:05:12,519 you can go up in the 33 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,809 design process. 34 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:15,639 So if you think about these summits, you 35 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,889 work a lot. If you design and design 36 00:05:17,890 --> 00:05:20,199 what I mean, if I say design to design, 37 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,829 when I say design, choose. 38 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:23,949 So like I get some free 39 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:25,809 requirements, I talk to some people. 40 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:28,059 I came to my place and I produced 41 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:30,099 technology and I make it a project and 42 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:31,899 after I return and give the project. 43 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:34,389 So I do design somewhat. 44 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:36,459 But when I tell about design 45 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:38,709 with I get someone I get 46 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:40,839 people from the local, from the local 47 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:42,669 culture and bring them into the design 48 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:44,919 process to make the technology 49 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,089 made the solution. 50 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:48,909 And they also create the solution. 51 00:05:48,910 --> 00:05:50,979 So they create the we create 52 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:52,929 the technology together. 53 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:55,420 But I think the the most 54 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,439 the most impactful, the most 55 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,700 our belief that the most 56 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,969 the best way to reach back 57 00:06:03,970 --> 00:06:06,249 to its design by when we 58 00:06:06,250 --> 00:06:08,469 don't design together what we teach 59 00:06:08,470 --> 00:06:10,239 the design tools, we teach the maker 60 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,369 movement people, and they can produce 61 00:06:12,370 --> 00:06:13,989 their own solutions. 62 00:06:13,990 --> 00:06:15,459 And we believe on that. 63 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:17,559 And if you think on 64 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,560 this way, 65 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,599 together with the continued idea, 66 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,849 a lot of names start to come for 67 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:25,839 our mind. 68 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,939 So you think that we could 69 00:06:27,940 --> 00:06:30,009 do a place inside of a 70 00:06:30,010 --> 00:06:32,679 local area, in our case, 71 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,109 in our favela, in our communities 72 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:37,239 that could keep doing this project 73 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,489 happening, that happened in the summit 74 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:41,739 or better than that could do more 75 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:44,079 project could instigate 76 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,629 could could decrease 77 00:06:46,630 --> 00:06:48,579 the energy to produce my project. 78 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:50,709 So all this name came to our mind. 79 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:53,059 Tax based hackerspace innovation 80 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:55,660 center, fabolous makerspace, all these. 81 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:59,719 Letters and realize that 82 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,199 what we need is some common 83 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,519 space to make, to build whatever 84 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,589 they want, what they want to 85 00:07:06,590 --> 00:07:08,749 be right or better, what we 86 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:10,849 want to build, because today I'm part 87 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:11,899 of the same community. 88 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,969 I live in the same community. 89 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:16,879 So on this moment. 90 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,279 I need to talk about this woman, 91 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,769 so her name is Leah. 92 00:07:21,770 --> 00:07:23,899 She's the leader of the community where 93 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:26,029 we work today, the name of the 94 00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:28,609 community of hospitals and Portuguese 95 00:07:28,610 --> 00:07:30,949 we can call English New Hope 96 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:32,209 Village. 97 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:34,300 It's a village of 600 people, 98 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:37,879 three thousand six hundred 99 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,989 families, three thousand people and 100 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:40,999 a small village. 101 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,309 And we started 102 00:07:43,310 --> 00:07:44,599 to think about that idea. 103 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,699 How how can we build this place 104 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:47,689 in the favela? 105 00:07:47,690 --> 00:07:49,669 Or is that a community in Sao Paulo that 106 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,489 could support a project that Christian 107 00:07:51,490 --> 00:07:53,059 get more project? 108 00:07:53,060 --> 00:07:55,519 And we realize 109 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,439 we need to start to talk to some favelas, 110 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,119 with some community members, with some 111 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,829 association, some leaderships. 112 00:08:00,830 --> 00:08:02,269 And we met this. 113 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:04,579 And today we say that they 114 00:08:04,580 --> 00:08:06,979 choose to do the project and not 115 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:09,199 we to then to do the project because we 116 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,329 are the same like we are on the same 117 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:12,679 the same place. 118 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,059 And she's a strong. 119 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:17,069 She's a strong leader in these 120 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:18,989 communities, so here you can see the 121 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:21,089 first sign is that the community already 122 00:08:21,090 --> 00:08:23,669 can see the roads behind the roads. 123 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:25,829 It's all the roads and 124 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:27,419 the community like that. 125 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:29,759 And so she has 126 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,889 worked for the last three years, two 127 00:08:31,890 --> 00:08:34,319 years. So for the last 10 years, 128 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,989 being either the association, 129 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:39,359 the community, and when 130 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,609 you start to talk to her 131 00:08:41,610 --> 00:08:44,038 the first time they start to talk to her, 132 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:45,389 we start to do some questions 133 00:08:46,410 --> 00:08:47,969 about, hey. 134 00:08:49,060 --> 00:08:52,119 How can we work together, like 135 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,409 what do you like, and she start 136 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:57,399 to say, I like her handcrafts, 137 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,469 the community members like handcrafts, 138 00:08:59,470 --> 00:09:01,449 the community members like learn by 139 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:02,349 doing. 140 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:04,429 But maybe how 141 00:09:04,430 --> 00:09:06,599 what can do how how we can 142 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,219 keep walking or 143 00:09:09,220 --> 00:09:10,989 having more ideas. And she said something 144 00:09:10,990 --> 00:09:13,149 about maybe we could do 145 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:15,159 a project incubator because I talk a 146 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,349 little bit about what he did 147 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:18,699 just briefly. 148 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,219 And she said something about the 149 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:23,319 new project inside of the community, 150 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,339 the green house. 151 00:09:24,340 --> 00:09:25,979 They want to do ecological village 152 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:28,039 inside. So we keep it talking, keep 153 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,369 it talking. And she came with the 154 00:09:30,370 --> 00:09:32,499 Social Technology Center. 155 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:35,199 Good. So the community 156 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,019 already has an idea. 157 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:41,069 The organization that they want to do 158 00:09:41,070 --> 00:09:43,409 something similar about 159 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:45,659 what people from outside want to do, 160 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:47,609 so it's not something that just people 161 00:09:47,610 --> 00:09:50,039 from outside coming and doing inside. 162 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,589 So there is some synergy that 163 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:54,749 goes in the point of view that 164 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:57,109 some visions that go 165 00:09:57,110 --> 00:09:58,499 to the same place. 166 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:01,589 So you find a match, right? 167 00:10:01,590 --> 00:10:03,689 So there's the two sides there, 168 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:05,759 maybe has the same vision, is 169 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,919 a little fuzzy yet, but maybe they can 170 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,539 work together. 171 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:12,659 But the good thing about 172 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,819 is that the center and that the logo, 173 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:17,309 the center's innovation center, Vilanova 174 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:19,469 Spitzer, it's how we start 175 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:21,840 to do things, how how we can 176 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:26,189 give the first step to do 177 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:27,269 something. 178 00:10:27,270 --> 00:10:30,029 And I can say that we spend 179 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:32,309 three months, four months just create 180 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:34,439 a relationship before to 181 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,789 do any Hands-On activities, before 182 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:39,389 build anything, before implementing 183 00:10:39,390 --> 00:10:41,609 anything and 184 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:42,610 to do that. 185 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:46,579 We did emails, maybe not, 186 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:48,659 we did meetings, no, 187 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:50,699 we did conversations, not a lot. 188 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:51,959 I give lectures now. 189 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,819 They they don't they don't care about 190 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:55,379 lectures. 191 00:10:55,380 --> 00:10:57,329 I call them. No. 192 00:10:57,330 --> 00:10:59,849 One of the many good 193 00:10:59,850 --> 00:11:00,850 ways. 194 00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:03,749 To start work ahead, the activities of 195 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:05,849 that, what I may have had, some 196 00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:06,850 of them 197 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:10,439 don't talk a lot about what 198 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,129 you want to do. 199 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:13,159 Don't make a lot of projects, but start 200 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,669 to work together. 201 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:16,689 People, when I say work is working 202 00:11:16,690 --> 00:11:19,109 Hands-On activities, like do some things. 203 00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:21,299 And in this case, they 204 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:23,669 have a big garden inside 205 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:25,889 where they they like 206 00:11:25,890 --> 00:11:28,169 to crop the they like to 207 00:11:28,170 --> 00:11:30,749 do what they got their food and 208 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:32,699 at least once a week or once the two 209 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:34,889 weeks we come, we came 210 00:11:34,890 --> 00:11:37,139 to there and stayed together, then 211 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:39,959 working, working and working 212 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,749 and OK, I have to to do 213 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,799 that. They have to, to do even if you are 214 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,889 from outside at the same time 215 00:11:46,890 --> 00:11:49,079 there is to work with your 216 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,299 body, with your hands, they start 217 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:53,219 to realize that, OK, this guy is doing 218 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:54,809 the same thing to me. 219 00:11:54,810 --> 00:11:57,089 So he is not someone that's just coming 220 00:11:57,090 --> 00:11:58,619 in to talk and talk and talk. 221 00:11:58,620 --> 00:12:01,169 Maybe I want to meet him better 222 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:03,059 and we start to create a relationship. 223 00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:05,319 We create a same level 224 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,539 of talking. 225 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:08,939 And when 226 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:11,249 you do this kind of Hanslick Penso 227 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:12,450 activity and then 228 00:12:13,830 --> 00:12:15,779 we create two things that for me it's the 229 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:18,239 basic of any relationship 230 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,609 that's the basis of any solid 231 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:22,349 project that the relationship and the 232 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:23,399 empathy. 233 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,169 So at the same time that we create 234 00:12:25,170 --> 00:12:26,999 relationship and they start to trust in 235 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,159 us and we start to be 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,409 not then and not us, 237 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:33,329 but we are together. 238 00:12:33,330 --> 00:12:35,189 We also can see empathy. 239 00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:37,679 We also can see better what the problems 240 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,049 that we can start to work before 241 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,119 to say anything about how we are going 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,199 to do the project. 243 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,000 So you guys are going to realize that 244 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,569 this project is very organic 245 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,939 and you want to be very organic, 246 00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:53,009 very unique, because you to 247 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:55,049 get ownership in the community and you 248 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:57,719 that ownership inside of the village 249 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,519 of the people that work. 250 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,009 But what should be our second 251 00:13:02,010 --> 00:13:03,179 step? 252 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:05,459 So, OK, now that we work together, 253 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:06,539 we create the relationship. 254 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:09,089 You create a party, we are good. 255 00:13:09,090 --> 00:13:10,799 You are good. Networking side of the 256 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,989 community should be 257 00:13:12,990 --> 00:13:15,599 more emails, meetings, conversation, 258 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,669 letters to do thing. 259 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:19,859 No, again, we 260 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:22,019 work as makers, we work 261 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:23,129 as designers. 262 00:13:23,130 --> 00:13:25,559 So the second time hands 263 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:26,999 off of us. 264 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,369 So how the best 265 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:31,619 way to show what we have to show. 266 00:13:33,010 --> 00:13:35,079 Is doing things so we 267 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,609 start to do workshops inside the 268 00:13:36,610 --> 00:13:39,549 communities, how to build staff, 269 00:13:39,550 --> 00:13:41,769 how to build electronics, how 270 00:13:41,770 --> 00:13:43,959 to build mechanical 271 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,459 things, how to build ideas 272 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:48,409 where you can use both sheets, how could 273 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:50,829 build brainstormers 274 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:53,109 in order to have always 275 00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:55,809 doing things for the body. 276 00:13:55,810 --> 00:13:57,789 And the good thing about that. 277 00:13:58,910 --> 00:14:01,039 So that's one of the pictures about we 278 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,619 did and the picture of the middle, OK, 279 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:05,809 we need to finalize a barbecue because 280 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:07,469 they like this kind of party and a 281 00:14:07,470 --> 00:14:09,999 reliable party is always good 282 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,479 to keep the energy growing. 283 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,819 But the good thing, when you 284 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:16,039 we brought some hands 285 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,090 up to us. 286 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:20,449 They kind of 287 00:14:20,450 --> 00:14:23,299 show tacit knowledge 288 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:25,189 when they realize that when you talk a 289 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:27,319 lot in space, 290 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,509 some space, maybe people 291 00:14:29,510 --> 00:14:31,849 don't have it. They they 292 00:14:31,850 --> 00:14:34,279 they are they are kind of shy 293 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,979 or they don't have the right open 294 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:38,689 to show what they can do. 295 00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:40,609 But when you give a space, they work 296 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:42,679 together, they can show and maybe 297 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,639 sometimes they don't know. 298 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,379 They they show they they don't know. 299 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:46,489 They they know. 300 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:48,679 So you give 301 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,809 that kind of space so that 302 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,609 they can work and show that they know. 303 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:55,070 And the second thing is about curiosity. 304 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:58,329 Curiosity is the first step 305 00:14:58,330 --> 00:15:01,209 to get engagement to gain momentum 306 00:15:01,210 --> 00:15:02,949 for the Nasdaq. 307 00:15:02,950 --> 00:15:05,169 So after three months and four months, 308 00:15:05,170 --> 00:15:06,519 we work for that. 309 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,319 We get four words. 310 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,629 The first word is a place 311 00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:12,369 to study space. 312 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:14,979 And that's a good story because 313 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:17,289 I don't know anyone will 314 00:15:17,290 --> 00:15:19,029 hear the word be. 315 00:15:20,510 --> 00:15:21,679 The economy, 316 00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:25,029 right, we can see a lot of that, 317 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:27,559 Brazil, mainly a poor area, 318 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,449 and there's books about the inside of 319 00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:31,609 this favela and we start 320 00:15:31,610 --> 00:15:33,589 to makerspace inside of this favela in a 321 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:35,029 garage. 322 00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:37,759 So every day at 323 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,350 10 a.m., they 324 00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:43,129 leave the garage, stop outside, 325 00:15:43,130 --> 00:15:45,439 parked outside and then make a stop 326 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,699 to happen. I'm going to show you some 327 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:48,589 video so you can see better. 328 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:51,439 And every day at five p.m., 329 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,569 they will come back and 330 00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:54,529 stop inside. 331 00:15:54,530 --> 00:15:57,109 So we need to do some flexible 332 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:59,629 makerspace where you can park a car 333 00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:02,179 and you you can you can. 334 00:16:02,180 --> 00:16:04,039 And use that space. 335 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,969 What? That's good. 336 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:07,099 Because if you came 337 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,259 before, if your whole project tried to 338 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:11,359 find it, try to feel just brought inside 339 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,309 the community. We know that's not going 340 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:14,209 to work. 341 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:16,399 So we start to project the 342 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,809 work together, the space together 343 00:16:18,810 --> 00:16:20,929 then. So as you guys can see, 344 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:23,749 the whole innovation center is also a 345 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:24,859 prototype. 346 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:26,689 The whole innovation center is how so 347 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:29,089 outside processes are make a move where 348 00:16:29,090 --> 00:16:31,309 it's start that you build, you see what's 349 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:33,350 the next step if you have 350 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:37,399 a next well 351 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,379 defined next stage. 352 00:16:39,380 --> 00:16:41,569 And also handcraft 353 00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:43,069 community radio and Crociere. 354 00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:45,289 So as the three workshop, the 355 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:47,809 kids in the workshops that we did before. 356 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:48,859 So we start to the day. 357 00:16:52,570 --> 00:16:54,649 Before before this real 358 00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:56,709 workshops, we started the reform in the 359 00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:58,869 place where 360 00:16:58,870 --> 00:17:01,959 I, as I told before, there was a garage 361 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,149 and in the first in 362 00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:06,699 the first floor, there was 363 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:07,659 a lot of fingers inside. 364 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:09,279 After that, we reform a little bit and 365 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,838 reform a little bit more. 366 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,118 And one thing that's interesting, always 367 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,739 people when you talk about makerspace, 368 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:16,779 they say, OK, what what should I do 369 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:18,729 instead of what should I put inside of my 370 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:19,730 makerspace? 371 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,039 What the level of technology should I put 372 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,499 inside of my makerspace and 373 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:28,229 in my first, in my opinion, 374 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:30,359 I think that just unnecessary to 375 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,729 people go inside, nothing more than that, 376 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:34,829 because like the most important 377 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:36,689 thing in Nonnemaker space, the community 378 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:39,109 are building around and the community 379 00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:41,249 need to have ownership beyond 380 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:43,949 that. So if you put a layer to the site, 381 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:46,289 maybe I can scare people because 382 00:17:46,290 --> 00:17:48,389 they don't know how to get there, is 383 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:50,099 not there? 384 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:51,449 They are not friendly for that. 385 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:53,579 But if they ask about the machines, 386 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:55,799 they ask about the tools. 387 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,959 Good. So we buy after they 388 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,209 ask. So as I said 389 00:18:00,210 --> 00:18:02,599 before, three projects 390 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,379 we started by. So it doesn't necessary to 391 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:07,109 open and we did, as I said, to open. 392 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:08,849 So in January. 393 00:18:13,150 --> 00:18:14,169 2014, 394 00:18:15,370 --> 00:18:17,619 we have just a blank 395 00:18:17,620 --> 00:18:18,819 slate. 396 00:18:18,820 --> 00:18:21,069 Does nothing without some basic tools 397 00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:22,070 at the table, 398 00:18:25,210 --> 00:18:26,949 some guy break your arm, but that's not 399 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:29,049 garbage just to say no, because we can 400 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:30,310 use that to project 401 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,089 some woman doing workshops in the front 402 00:18:34,090 --> 00:18:35,829 that you are doing the handicraft 403 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:37,450 workshop, as they said before, 404 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,289 someone then already started their 405 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:43,299 community project inside. 406 00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:56,419 And we start to do workshops, 407 00:18:56,420 --> 00:18:58,129 a workshop about what they said before. 408 00:18:58,130 --> 00:19:00,409 So we did workshops 409 00:19:00,410 --> 00:19:01,410 of. 410 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:11,149 Great, so the workshops are for 411 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,150 websites 412 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:15,319 that where we 413 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,339 brought some projector's, we would call 414 00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:18,319 some people inside. 415 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,539 That's one of the we did three 416 00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:21,829 and there's one of them. 417 00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:23,690 So we gave certificates. 418 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,439 And we did workshops of 419 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,689 selling bags because they 420 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:30,890 said they would like to. 421 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:35,379 To work on that and learn 422 00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:37,239 these basic truths, I know that's not 423 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,419 high technology, but it's what they what 424 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:41,769 they are getting ownership of that. 425 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:44,169 So they are learning that that's candy 426 00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:46,269 is what her first bag that she 427 00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:47,470 did in her life. 428 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,589 And she start to come more in the 429 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:52,839 community, they think, after you 430 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:53,890 learn how to do this. 431 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:04,440 I hate to go this guy here. 432 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,709 And you did more workshops, we did 433 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:17,379 workshops of electronics where 434 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,539 we called the people around the community 435 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:21,879 and we we 436 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,880 taught then 437 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:26,319 welding, we taught, then we taught 438 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,509 them how to do turns, how 439 00:20:28,510 --> 00:20:29,510 to do 440 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,309 lights, how to how to pull antagonizing 441 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:35,379 the mirrors, not to the tires in their 442 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:37,449 bicycles. So all that stuff. 443 00:20:37,450 --> 00:20:38,979 But we realized one thing. 444 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,069 We just use it, we use it 445 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:44,289 just opened the workshop, the 446 00:20:44,290 --> 00:20:46,599 our space in the workshop 447 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,559 types. 448 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,659 So they space the 449 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:51,819 rope every time dopy 450 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:53,679 24 hours per day. 451 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,359 We use it up at just the time of the 452 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,609 workshops and we realize to keep 453 00:20:57,610 --> 00:20:58,610 it going, to 454 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:01,389 keep in happening. 455 00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:03,939 We used to need to open a space 456 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:05,379 24 hours per day. 457 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:08,079 And we get we start to get 458 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,519 a start for that. 459 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,799 And this guy, his name is Tempy. 460 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,149 And he's a maker like 461 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,849 with good hands, and 462 00:21:17,850 --> 00:21:20,819 because we start chopping 463 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:22,769 twenty four hours per day, new projects 464 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:23,879 start to happen. 465 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,399 So that's a low cost solar water heater 466 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,039 that we have in all our communities. 467 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,889 So new ideas start to come this Celsius, 468 00:21:31,890 --> 00:21:32,919 not Fahrenheit. 469 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,669 So that's so 470 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:38,520 we can see, uh, 471 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:41,150 more products here. 472 00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:46,109 Well, so the community 473 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:48,599 radio as well, as we said before, 474 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,969 we brought people from outside that could 475 00:21:50,970 --> 00:21:52,709 figure out this community radio. 476 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:55,889 So just tell me a bit about this project 477 00:21:55,890 --> 00:21:57,869 and the most favelas in Brazil. 478 00:21:57,870 --> 00:22:00,789 They turned out to be bad 3G. 479 00:22:00,790 --> 00:22:02,129 It's pretty bad. 480 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:04,259 So that's the one guy he knows 481 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:06,929 how to hack, 482 00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:09,419 uh, Internet 483 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:11,309 connection from outside of the community. 484 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:13,589 So he put a kind of antenna 485 00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:15,239 and he made a wireless connection or 486 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,529 close a wireless connection in his 487 00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:18,449 community and in our community. 488 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:20,849 And you start to use this 489 00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:23,339 to broadcast radio 490 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:25,859 through the wireless, because in Brazil, 491 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:28,139 uh, Effi, if 492 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:30,359 you want to build a radio, 493 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,949 you need to get a license from the 494 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:34,229 government. And that's a huge time 495 00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:35,729 that expensive in that you have the 496 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:37,949 project. So if you use 497 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:39,599 the two point four degrees that the 498 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,549 wireless connection, we don't care 499 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:43,619 because the government is open for time. 500 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:45,789 So you start to use this wireless to the 501 00:22:45,790 --> 00:22:48,379 the the the 502 00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:49,769 the community radio. 503 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:51,899 And the other point, we put speakers, so 504 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,689 here they are testing some speakers 505 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:56,849 and broadcasts from this 506 00:22:56,850 --> 00:22:58,979 computer. So projects 507 00:22:58,980 --> 00:22:59,980 start to happen. 508 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:03,939 Today, and that is one of 509 00:23:03,940 --> 00:23:05,019 the pride that I like to. 510 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:11,189 It's a Microland turn. 511 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:12,190 It's pretty easy 512 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,089 happen inside, you guys are going to 513 00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:16,779 start to see the positive side. 514 00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:19,199 It's pretty simple because 515 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,329 it's what they do is the way that they 516 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:23,009 feel, the way that we feel. 517 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:44,579 Here we go, why so 518 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:45,580 cheap? 519 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,739 I realize this so 520 00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:50,760 it's cheap, 521 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:54,869 it's sustainable, and it's 522 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:56,999 good because every time that 523 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,919 happens, a project like that is 524 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,359 Innovation Center. 525 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,549 You can see the other days, everyone 526 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:04,679 using every one building 527 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,869 there. Is that because one 528 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:08,969 children or one dad or one 529 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:10,799 younger came into this space built and 530 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,899 show you have one and they start 531 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:14,789 to spread and they start to say, oh, I 532 00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:15,869 want to build what I want to build what I 533 00:25:15,870 --> 00:25:17,069 want to build one. 534 00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:19,169 And that's good, because bringing our own 535 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:21,269 technology is bringing people for our own 536 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:22,229 place. 537 00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:24,299 But we know that if in 538 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,609 these beginning we should do some 539 00:25:26,610 --> 00:25:28,679 pretty, pretty awesome laser. 540 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,229 Kurt, we are not building our community 541 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:33,209 because it's too far from the reality. 542 00:25:33,210 --> 00:25:35,909 So we need to step by step it slow, 543 00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:36,959 take time. 544 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,969 But do you know that we are going you 545 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:41,609 know that we are going to the front 546 00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:43,529 and keeping the process? 547 00:25:43,530 --> 00:25:45,659 So also 548 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:48,149 estereo radio, they started doing side. 549 00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:50,429 So they're like boxes and they put 550 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:52,869 all that stuff behind and put in the car. 551 00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:54,089 I'm sorry, I put one. 552 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:57,479 So that behind 553 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,449 the speaker, so we put a little design 554 00:26:00,450 --> 00:26:02,639 and that's Marcio, he's really 555 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,769 good and work, if you would, and 556 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:07,469 together painting also with electronics 557 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:09,359 and we also do. 558 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,289 Technology to do technology, right, 559 00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:15,419 and we build light 560 00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:18,029 leads to wood using 561 00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:20,309 local materials, so that's 562 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:21,310 a late. 563 00:26:23,050 --> 00:26:24,050 That you can. 564 00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:27,320 We start using a driller. 565 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,639 And this says you're just 566 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,640 your. 567 00:26:39,220 --> 00:26:40,910 And you can do anything if you would, 568 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,280 you would. 569 00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:52,009 Let's go back. 570 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:53,010 I like that. 571 00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:57,419 It's easy to build stuff, it's 572 00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:59,129 easy to build the technology, build the 573 00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:01,809 technology now to just stop 574 00:27:01,810 --> 00:27:02,810 the. 575 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,559 OK, so we did all that stuff, but we 576 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,719 realized that how this project 577 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,119 started, we have a national investment 578 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,339 and frio idea and as I said 579 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:24,769 before, but one of the our goals 580 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:26,839 is to build a business model, not 581 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,329 work just as an NGO 582 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:31,249 fund raising and all that stuff, but 583 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,919 really have a business model around this. 584 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,169 And one of the things that 585 00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:38,539 for us was really impactful 586 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:40,159 in the beginning of this year. 587 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,269 We got to be selective. 588 00:27:42,270 --> 00:27:44,359 We got to to come for our 589 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,379 new network. 590 00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:47,149 That has been amazing. 591 00:27:47,150 --> 00:27:49,369 That's the way the global 592 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:51,099 get together innovation. 593 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:56,389 Yeah. So that's the picture that 594 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:58,429 we stayed like two weeks in Berlin. 595 00:27:58,430 --> 00:28:00,739 Just think about an hour, 596 00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:02,779 an hour go like in our evolution, how 597 00:28:02,780 --> 00:28:03,859 could these 598 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:07,369 more sustainable and not just think about 599 00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:08,869 from the reason, not just think about 600 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:10,279 energy and all that stuff. 601 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,439 And it got really good inside as we got 602 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,449 really good connections on that. 603 00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:16,639 And today we are close to 604 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,709 our business 605 00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:20,269 model, to our sustainability. 606 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:23,449 We are providing a 607 00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:25,759 course of social innovation 608 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,609 in Sao Paulo to reach our high schools. 609 00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:29,899 What happened? I don't know if you guys 610 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,309 heard about it, but Brazil is 611 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:34,399 the country for the bigger gap 612 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,529 between rich people and poor people 613 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:38,509 like a huge gap. 614 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:40,759 So some people live across 615 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,589 the street and they have a lot of money, 616 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,719 but they never went to 617 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,609 a favela, which are communities. 618 00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:48,679 But some parents, 619 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,239 they know that it's important to know 620 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,519 this reality. So they want to pay for 621 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,659 these and more. 622 00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:56,319 They want to pay for how 623 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,699 make my son think about design tools, 624 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,649 how to think about such innovation, how 625 00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:02,899 to think about producing new technology, 626 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:05,239 not just for the 10 percent of the world 627 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,309 has happened today, but for 628 00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:09,259 the other nine percent of the world. 629 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:11,329 And we start to provide this kind of 630 00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:13,639 course, is in all the profit that came 631 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,799 for this search for the high school 632 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,389 can be for the innovation center to keep 633 00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:20,239 the innovation center growing inside 634 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,240 of the community. 635 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,859 Our second challenge right now 636 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:27,529 after two years is the high tech part. 637 00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:29,209 We got a challenge. 638 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:31,399 We got award in Brazil of 639 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,599 a foundation we are going to buy. 640 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,989 A laser cut is going to be our first 641 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:38,779 high tech, high, 642 00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:41,179 high solution. We say how high product, 643 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:42,529 how device inside. 644 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,659 And we are really curious 645 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:46,879 how people is going to deal with this 646 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,779 machine because we have the ownership of 647 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:49,819 the end of this space. 648 00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:51,919 We have the momentum, 649 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,569 we have the inspiration for them. 650 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:55,459 But we know that going to be some 651 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,069 challenge, how to model, 652 00:29:58,070 --> 00:30:00,769 how to teach to work if the computers. 653 00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:02,059 So that's one of the challenges that we 654 00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:03,060 have right now. 655 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:04,830 And 656 00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:07,879 that's one of the laser cut. 657 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,759 And our third challenge 658 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,169 is bigger space. 659 00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:14,359 So all that stuff that I just show 660 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,459 it to we after, I 661 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:18,919 can I can think of the link up with our 662 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,109 YouTube channel 663 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:23,329 and become 664 00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:26,179 a lot and our space 665 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:27,829 became its more. 666 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:29,989 So you rent space 667 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:32,119 another space in the beginning of this 668 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,890 year in the front of our space, 669 00:30:35,150 --> 00:30:37,519 but became a small again 670 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,799 because we've got no tools, we needed 671 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,929 materials to build new things. 672 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:44,029 And after we talk 673 00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:45,919 to the community about the rent this 674 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,839 space does the second space the community 675 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,939 came to us through the 676 00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:52,129 DSHEA and said, 677 00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:54,289 hey, you know, you guys doing a really 678 00:30:54,290 --> 00:30:56,449 good things out of the community. 679 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:58,699 So take this space here that 680 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,949 ours and build a new space 681 00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:03,469 where we don't need to pay rent 682 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:05,089 anymore. No need to rent. 683 00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:06,899 And you need to give money because why 684 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:09,049 are you going to pay for renting 685 00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:11,959 if you are guys doing things for us? 686 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,959 So they find a lens for us 687 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,629 and we start to do a fundraiser for this 688 00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:19,879 show, invest to build the new space 689 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,469 that's pretty new, like happened in the 690 00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:24,499 last two, three months. 691 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:27,249 And we have a design at least 692 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,449 have a vision doing inside 693 00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:31,969 of the community if you workshops 694 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:32,970 using 695 00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:38,149 it with their own ideas, 696 00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:39,289 how it should be there. 697 00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:40,219 How should that? 698 00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:42,679 And the good thing is because 699 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,269 they come off the idea not to do an 700 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:46,319 innovation center, but to do a common 701 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,629 space. 702 00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:49,759 So they how beauty is going 703 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,039 to be the community space and innovation 704 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,019 state is going to be just a part of that. 705 00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:56,119 So we start to be connected 706 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,279 and really create 707 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,169 fingers inside the community, not be 708 00:32:00,170 --> 00:32:02,419 something outside, even 709 00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:05,479 inside, because they 710 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,639 really understand 711 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,619 how the innovation center can work. 712 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:11,749 My question for you like that, 713 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:13,119 I think is. 714 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,819 Imagine if you came in the beginning, 715 00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:17,829 in the beginning for two years with this 716 00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:20,709 project, that's not going to happen, 717 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:22,299 right, because something from outside, 718 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:24,639 something find without vision. 719 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,009 So every every nearest 720 00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:28,539 tap is really important. 721 00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:30,669 More than the result, the process 722 00:32:30,670 --> 00:32:32,439 for us to build this innovation center is 723 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,689 more important because we are building 724 00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:35,619 ownership. 725 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:36,620 We are building. 726 00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:39,759 We are building knowledge. 727 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,279 We are showing you what we want 728 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,659 to do together. 729 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:45,759 And just to show that, 730 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,619 I have a last video. 731 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,089 So does this base and we start to work 732 00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:58,319 about there's nothing I know 733 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,659 it's going to be a long 734 00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:03,239 journey again, but 735 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,279 we are excited for that. 736 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,440 This is not a 737 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,320 good. 738 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:27,809 So we know that 739 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:29,789 just beginning. We know that they're 740 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:31,679 going to try to start another story right 741 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,289 now, I hope in the future 742 00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:36,449 I can talk again or we 743 00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:38,519 can speak and we can have 744 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,589 that whole building or at least a half of 745 00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:42,909 billion or at least nothing but people 746 00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:44,489 still working to produce their own 747 00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:45,389 technology. 748 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,699 So I know that my final is a little 749 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,979 bit early, but 750 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:51,290 thanks so much for coming here. 751 00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:04,289 First of all, let me thank you for this 752 00:34:04,290 --> 00:34:06,509 very insightful talk over if 753 00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:08,579 you have any questions, please 754 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:10,649 line up at the microphones here at the 755 00:34:10,650 --> 00:34:12,928 hall signal. 756 00:34:12,929 --> 00:34:14,369 Angel, do we have any questions from 757 00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:15,370 Iasi? 758 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:18,448 Doesn't look like it. 759 00:34:18,449 --> 00:34:19,449 No 760 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,459 front. Right microphone, please. 761 00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:25,049 Hello. Thank you for the presentation. 762 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:27,329 I'm wondering, so all the things 763 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:29,579 you did were mainly guided and the kids 764 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:31,289 were not really playing around with 765 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:33,539 stuff, creating something completely 766 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:36,269 new by themselves or they know 767 00:34:36,270 --> 00:34:38,669 they do things by themselves 768 00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:41,129 so that the problem that I show it here, 769 00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:43,468 they do for themselves is organically. 770 00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:45,539 We are not giving some guidance. 771 00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:47,729 We do guidance through the workshops. 772 00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:49,349 We have something inside of the 773 00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:51,599 innovation center that we call it 774 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,999 as workshop that happens every Saturday 775 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,279 where we build something that we already 776 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,139 know. For example, back in the beginning 777 00:34:58,140 --> 00:34:59,729 that I show the workshop, for example, 778 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,799 chairs, which pallets, 779 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,229 for example, website, everything 780 00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:06,329 like these are 781 00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:08,669 workshops. We fill those 782 00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:09,239 knowledge. 783 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,339 They started a new project and how 784 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:13,439 much new stuff that they built that 785 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,389 is really constructive for the community. 786 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:16,179 Yes. 787 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:18,209 How much in comparison to the kind of 788 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:19,800 things, uh, 789 00:35:20,970 --> 00:35:23,039 if you could even like the 790 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,349 same that we have like workshops 791 00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:27,759 happening at the same time we have these 792 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,159 this technology, this project they are 793 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,319 doing. And the good thing about that 794 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,209 segment of the people that built the 795 00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,079 technology, they also become structure, 796 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,559 design and build these workshops. 797 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,070 And that's the second they're that 798 00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:43,139 got a great 799 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:44,610 the front left microphone, please. 800 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:49,869 Hello, thank you very much for this 801 00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:51,099 project is beautiful. 802 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,219 I'd like to know if you have contacts 803 00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:56,289 with other spaces like the 804 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:58,719 Cairo hackerspace or 805 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,119 the red macomber's in 806 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,319 Campinas. 807 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,539 No, I don't know this space, but 808 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:06,759 it's good to know. Yeah, we have a good a 809 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,169 good connection because of the idea of 810 00:36:08,170 --> 00:36:09,849 your lab. We have talked to Ben. 811 00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:10,959 We feel subserve 812 00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:13,989 to observe in Rio de Janeiro. 813 00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:16,119 But these, as I know, low and 814 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,649 I would love to have these connections 815 00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:19,809 because what do you want to know? 816 00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:22,599 Well, to be it's kind of a gate 817 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,459 to getting in the community because they 818 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:26,409 really understand that the worst part is 819 00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:28,569 create a relationship, is create 820 00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:29,979 and articulate people inside. 821 00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:31,119 And we have that. 822 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,189 So now we want partners that 823 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:34,119 know technology. 824 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,789 We can figure out all the theater 825 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:39,279 and they can work together for us. 826 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,619 Please, please join us at Anarchist's 827 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:43,699 related to we are going to have 828 00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,759 a talk on the hack basis. 829 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,149 Great. 830 00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:48,219 I can talk about thinking 831 00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:49,929 more about this here. 832 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,249 Again, from left, please, thank 833 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:54,969 you for. 834 00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:57,909 Thank you for a great talk is real nice. 835 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:59,499 I have a question which might be a little 836 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,779 bit off topic, but I believe that some 837 00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,089 of us in the West have a better 838 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:06,219 idea of a favela and the people who 839 00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:07,719 live there. And there are many 840 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,059 stereotypes and things like this. 841 00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:12,399 Could you please say a few words about 842 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,589 how the regular everyday 843 00:37:14,590 --> 00:37:16,809 lives of those people in favelas are 844 00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:18,999 and what they do, what they get, 845 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,879 what do they get their income for from 846 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,880 things like this? 847 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:25,719 OK, so the most people that work in 848 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:27,909 favela, they work, they are 849 00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:30,009 employees of someone or they 850 00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:32,769 don't have a formal job. 851 00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:35,289 So they are bricklayers, 852 00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:37,509 they are violence, they 853 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:38,510 are 854 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,039 people. They are working house for some 855 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,040 people. 856 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:44,849 They don't do 857 00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:48,909 have a wage for month. 858 00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:51,279 They do one for you that we call because 859 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,259 of one job here, one job, their one job 860 00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:55,329 there. So day by day is the 861 00:37:55,330 --> 00:37:57,389 day that they take not turning out 862 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:59,409 to the future because we know that we 863 00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:00,609 need to buy something now. 864 00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:01,539 So I need this money. 865 00:38:01,540 --> 00:38:03,609 I need to buy my food tomorrow. 866 00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:04,610 So I need this money. 867 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:08,999 They are really far from the main 868 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,079 fruit from the center of the 869 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,789 city where they work. 870 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:15,159 And the worst thing, because these 871 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,859 communities where we work is the middle 872 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:20,379 is between the city of San Paolo 873 00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:21,939 and Kabul. 874 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:24,389 And because the right there, between 875 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:26,139 the between, for example, this vision of 876 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:28,509 Espinosa, the main street that divides 877 00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:30,679 Sao Paulo, and it's this 878 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,059 street so far who 879 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:35,139 we complaining about problems. 880 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:37,299 It's always a problem that because 881 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:40,059 if you go to the Sao Paulo 882 00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:41,559 government, they say, oh, that's not our 883 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,849 problem. It's Tablo. 884 00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:44,709 If you go to that's our province, Sao 885 00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:45,879 Paulo, and stay like that. 886 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,399 And it's really it's really hard that. 887 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,739 So this community, it's 888 00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:52,899 around two hours, two hours 889 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,519 and a half of the state of the city. 890 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,889 So they spend around five 891 00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:59,109 hours per day, even six hours 892 00:38:59,110 --> 00:39:01,779 when rang or had a lot of traffic 893 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:03,879 before vacations to go over to 894 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,199 come back from their jobs. 895 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,380 A lot of children around. 896 00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:11,889 Yeah. So I think it was one of the 897 00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:14,109 realities that we have there. 898 00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:17,079 We can say you ask about 899 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,209 average income 900 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,489 between 500 to 1000. 901 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:26,019 It is that's kind of 902 00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,040 two hundred 903 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:30,729 US dollars between two hundred 904 00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:32,969 and four hundred others. 905 00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:33,970 OK, 906 00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:37,639 the real live microphone, please. 907 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,819 But it's 908 00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:42,189 really a great project. 909 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:44,289 And I was really curious about what you 910 00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:46,509 said about the antenna and the 911 00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:47,439 radio. 912 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,299 So what do they actually send it? 913 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,549 They set up a station for 914 00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:53,129 it for sending things out. 915 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:55,399 OK, let me tell you the whole story about 916 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,609 that. OK, so there's this guy. 917 00:39:57,610 --> 00:39:58,869 His name is Marshall. 918 00:39:58,870 --> 00:40:01,239 He's still five years old and 919 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,169 he's quiet. 920 00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:04,539 He's shy, but he's pretty, 921 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:07,419 pretty good like how high tech things. 922 00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:09,909 And he used to work in the northeast 923 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:12,069 of the country in a company 924 00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:14,049 that provides Internet. 925 00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:16,149 But the company failed 926 00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:18,399 in the Northeast and happened a lot 927 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,959 in Brazil. People came in from the north 928 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,369 to the south to get a better life. 929 00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:25,089 And this company that you 930 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:26,949 just forgot, all the containers, all that 931 00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:29,019 stuff, all the hardware, if he and he 932 00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:30,069 keep it. 933 00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:32,169 So when he came to the sofa, he brought 934 00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:34,239 that stuff with him and 935 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,009 he started to live in this favela. 936 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:38,169 He didn't have Internet anything. 937 00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:40,239 And he said, hey, I know how to 938 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,379 steal this guy. 939 00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:42,759 I know how to hack that. 940 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,489 So he got to, like, cut off a wood 941 00:40:45,490 --> 00:40:47,679 what use as a brush to do 942 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,209 the rest of the container. 943 00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:51,519 He got some the the harder that he has. 944 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,739 And he put it on his house 945 00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:55,839 and he gets a sign, a radio 946 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,969 sign. And outside he found a 947 00:40:57,970 --> 00:41:00,339 wireless connection that was open it. 948 00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:02,739 And this wireless connection, he talked 949 00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:05,049 to the guy because he found 950 00:41:05,050 --> 00:41:06,279 a guy that was a response for that. 951 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,559 And the guy opened the door for him for 952 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,809 some month for Muff 953 00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:12,999 does not allow it, but they make a deal 954 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:13,929 between that. 955 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:15,069 So he used it. 956 00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:17,709 You pay, I think, around the 980 957 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:19,879 hey, ice, that's around twenty 958 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,880 U.S. dollars 959 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,459 for this guy to get his Internet 960 00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:26,139 to get a connection. 961 00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:28,239 That and this connection, he's open 962 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,129 inside of the community. 963 00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:32,199 So in the beginning it was 964 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,669 just his family. 965 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:36,399 But after that he tried to sell that 966 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,019 for other community members and make 967 00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:39,519 business. And that's an interesting 968 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,379 thing. When you work in favelas, if you 969 00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:42,879 want, you are looking for innovation, 970 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,759 looking for two things, illegal things, 971 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,709 because the needs that someone is working 972 00:41:47,710 --> 00:41:48,879 on that. Right. 973 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,139 Or we call that can be. 974 00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:53,959 There's an early stage prototype 975 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,109 and he got this 976 00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:58,249 disconnection and we thought, oh, this 977 00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:59,250 guy's smart. 978 00:41:59,990 --> 00:42:01,549 We have a problem of coming to radio 979 00:42:01,550 --> 00:42:03,619 here, how can we use this 980 00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:05,509 wireless connection to help the community 981 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:07,749 radio? Because before we've made a lot 982 00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:09,319 of research about community radio and we 983 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,849 fought to use the wireless normal 984 00:42:10,850 --> 00:42:12,919 wireless Wi-Fi to use electricity, 985 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,519 wireless. But electricity inside the 986 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,279 communities be bad because they steal, 987 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,530 they steal also they it 988 00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:21,589 anyway. And we saw some research 989 00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:24,019 about the use the wireless connection 990 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:26,149 and get a laptop computer 991 00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:27,929 and use the software. 992 00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:29,539 The name is Childcare's. 993 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:31,369 I don't know if you guys heard about it 994 00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:32,779 so you can do a server. 995 00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:34,729 So you broadcast in the wireless and 996 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:36,829 anyone can use the cell phone 997 00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:39,109 to hear the community 998 00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:41,299 radio. But when 999 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:42,949 you think about cell phone in the 1000 00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:45,389 community, even cell phone 1001 00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:48,349 need to be smartphones and smartphones. 1002 00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:50,689 People reach inside the favela. 1003 00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:52,549 They have a smartphone, but people, they 1004 00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:54,619 are middle class or poor in 1005 00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:56,329 the favela because it's also a gap inside 1006 00:42:56,330 --> 00:42:58,339 the favela. They don't have that stuff. 1007 00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:00,529 So to disseminate that 1008 00:43:00,530 --> 00:43:02,599 stuff we fought 1009 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,789 to do using speakers that 1010 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:06,409 we call hotspots. 1011 00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:08,329 So that's one of the prototypes that we 1012 00:43:08,330 --> 00:43:10,819 did where we put hotspots inside 1013 00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:13,099 the favela in each corner 1014 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,579 and through our arduino has bagpipe. 1015 00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:18,799 You get the wireless connection 1016 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,199 and transform in audio 1017 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,749 and you can pass for the component 1018 00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:25,879 grades. But even that were not working 1019 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,219 for the whole community because 1020 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:30,289 we are just to achieve the 1021 00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:32,089 richer and the middle class and the poor 1022 00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:34,629 people that stay around the community 1023 00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:36,559 and serve the community and never leave 1024 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,509 their houses before because there are 1025 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:40,099 some people that they never leave their 1026 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,499 house because someone help them and 1027 00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:44,179 they stay really, really far away. 1028 00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:46,549 They just has that 1029 00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:47,539 F.M. 1030 00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:49,729 radio really old. 1031 00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:51,469 So using the same 1032 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,619 Hasbi, it was possible 1033 00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:58,039 to produce a f m sign. 1034 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,259 Getting their wireless connection in 1035 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:02,000 a small is more 1036 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,179 it's more radio that's not 1037 00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:07,399 illegal for the government and you 1038 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,409 can pack into the whole community. 1039 00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:10,999 That's one of the stories about the 1040 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000 radio. 1041 00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:13,580 OK, 1042 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,269 the front right microphone, please. 1043 00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:18,349 Yes. 1044 00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:20,809 I'm wondering what is the ratio of kids 1045 00:44:20,810 --> 00:44:23,269 and then maybe talking about adults, 1046 00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:25,549 about the male and female ratio 1047 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:26,869 as well, because I'm not sure how many 1048 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:28,459 people actually have to work each day. 1049 00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:30,139 And so they do not have time to go to the 1050 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:32,239 makerspace or after work in the community 1051 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,290 or in the innovation center. 1052 00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:36,099 That's above that. 1053 00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,219 OK, the most 1054 00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:39,949 of women that leave this side of the 1055 00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,439 community, they are 1056 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,599 between twenties and thirties. 1057 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,010 OK, so something like that. 1058 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,669 Children have a lot of younger children 1059 00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:51,139 because the community is a little 1060 00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:53,449 younger. So they the 1061 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:55,759 community. But Hezbollah 1062 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,249 was, I think three, three years ago 1063 00:44:58,250 --> 00:45:00,349 is not come when it's 1064 00:45:00,350 --> 00:45:02,449 old favela, but he of 1065 00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:04,609 the innovation center, the 1066 00:45:04,610 --> 00:45:06,799 average we have more 1067 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,400 between 12 and 16. 1068 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:11,809 Right. 1069 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:14,179 And they are women. 1070 00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:16,249 They are men that this 1071 00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:18,109 is kind of the same. 1072 00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:21,139 But we have this kind of workshop 1073 00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:22,819 focus on adults. 1074 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:26,149 So I think they realize it that this 1075 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:28,639 from 12 to 16, 1076 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,949 they like it to come and get 1077 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:32,329 new energy and do things. 1078 00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:34,339 But they don't do things for longer. 1079 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,589 They don't do things like a long 1080 00:45:36,590 --> 00:45:37,849 project. 1081 00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:40,099 The adults, it's harder 1082 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,529 to instigate, to motivate, 1083 00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:44,629 but when they get motivated, they can do 1084 00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:46,009 it longer for their community. 1085 00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:48,289 Radio is one example, the Internet, 1086 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:49,279 my example. 1087 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,769 So we don't need to do the workshops 1088 00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:53,539 for the younger workshop, focus on the 1089 00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:55,669 adults because we really need to 1090 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:56,899 call them. 1091 00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:59,029 And for the younger, it's more 1092 00:45:59,030 --> 00:46:00,529 organic. They just come and start to 1093 00:46:00,530 --> 00:46:02,299 build stuff, you know, have someone there 1094 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,109 to teach them the tools and all that 1095 00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:04,909 stuff. 1096 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:06,499 But what's the ratio in the numbers? 1097 00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:08,549 How many parents, how many adults to 1098 00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:10,849 actually engage in comparison to the kids 1099 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:15,829 between parents and kids? 1100 00:46:15,830 --> 00:46:18,079 So we can say that we have a one 1101 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,239 parent teacher around 1102 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,240 three or four kids. 1103 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:23,729 OK, something like that. 1104 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,679 Are there any more questions? 1105 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,489 None. 1106 00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:33,139 Well, thank you very much, Miguel.