0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/662 Thanks! 1 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:15,609 All right, so we've got to talk here 2 00:00:15,610 --> 00:00:17,859 about Anibal Tronic, 3 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:20,609 I have here this brave guy. 4 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:22,869 I see Trap called 5 00:00:22,870 --> 00:00:23,870 since today 6 00:00:25,660 --> 00:00:27,399 he's an electronic engineer is really 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 into 8 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:32,649 the fascinating thing of 9 00:00:32,650 --> 00:00:35,259 using using 10 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:37,329 media controllers and playing 11 00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:40,659 with it. It makes musical instruments 12 00:00:40,660 --> 00:00:42,939 and he's gonna 13 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:44,349 show you how to get there. 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,799 Unfortunately, the musician 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:48,800 is ill today. 16 00:00:49,990 --> 00:00:51,579 So I don't know, maybe we have to call 17 00:00:51,580 --> 00:00:53,109 someone from the audience to help them 18 00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:55,389 out to play some music afterwards. 19 00:00:55,390 --> 00:00:57,909 But this guy will 20 00:00:57,910 --> 00:01:00,159 show it while you're at 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,659 it. Thank you. 22 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:03,229 Let's light the Fuze then. 23 00:01:04,269 --> 00:01:06,879 OK, first. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,009 Hello. I'm a bit nervous, but 25 00:01:09,010 --> 00:01:10,010 happy to be here. 26 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:13,389 I want to ask you to ask a questions 27 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:15,519 as they arise so you can keep track 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,229 of what is going on. 29 00:01:17,230 --> 00:01:19,150 And yeah, then 30 00:01:22,210 --> 00:01:24,129 this is what this will be about. 31 00:01:24,130 --> 00:01:26,769 I will tell you what I did 32 00:01:26,770 --> 00:01:28,509 with this device. 33 00:01:28,510 --> 00:01:30,519 Then I will tell you what others did 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,979 before me. And 35 00:01:32,980 --> 00:01:35,259 then we want to discuss if you 36 00:01:35,260 --> 00:01:36,260 should do the same. 37 00:01:40,450 --> 00:01:42,309 As it is, traditionally, I start with a 38 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:44,139 finished product. 39 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:46,959 What we have here is 40 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:48,819 the current state of the tronic. 41 00:01:48,820 --> 00:01:50,639 I should get rid of the table. 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,450 We see the mouthpiece at the left. 43 00:01:58,340 --> 00:02:00,659 Then there are then 44 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:02,239 there's the pressure sensor, it is 45 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,459 connected with split PVC 46 00:02:04,460 --> 00:02:07,160 holes, there are four 47 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,609 micro switches right 48 00:02:10,610 --> 00:02:12,109 next to the microcontroller board you see 49 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:13,129 there. 50 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:15,679 And then we have a joystick 51 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,089 and two more sliders. 52 00:02:17,090 --> 00:02:19,699 On the other side there is another slider 53 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:20,689 and a mediatheque. 54 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:22,340 I completely lost track of 55 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:24,540 shit. 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,529 This is the previous version, and I will 57 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:31,879 use it to illustrate the working 58 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,099 principle, as 59 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:36,649 you can see, it had quite a lot more 60 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:39,799 normal, a lot more buttons, 61 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,959 and it could only play 62 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,119 around 11 notes, one for 63 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,309 each button and add another 64 00:02:46,310 --> 00:02:47,149 one for no button. 65 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:49,699 Pressed the button principle 66 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:51,949 that you have this mouthpiece to split 67 00:02:51,950 --> 00:02:53,719 holes, which allows it to blow through 68 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:53,989 solid. 69 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:56,089 It feels like like a traditional 70 00:02:57,290 --> 00:02:58,290 instrument. 71 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:01,249 You put your finger on the button and 72 00:03:01,250 --> 00:03:02,370 play it like a flute. 73 00:03:03,590 --> 00:03:05,929 The pressure sensor either triggers 74 00:03:05,930 --> 00:03:08,119 a A. If none has been played 75 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,219 before or controls the volume of 76 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:12,349 the synthesizer so you can have a 77 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:14,629 volume envelope for every note 78 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:16,249 like this instrument. 79 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:18,439 Does the buttons 80 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,689 define which note is played or trigger 81 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:22,549 another note when you change your finger 82 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:23,550 placement? 83 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Mm. 84 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:29,539 Eleven notes aren't that many. 85 00:03:29,540 --> 00:03:31,609 So I decided to 86 00:03:31,610 --> 00:03:33,859 use fewer buttons 87 00:03:33,860 --> 00:03:36,919 to play more notes, and 88 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,529 the five of the left hand 89 00:03:39,530 --> 00:03:41,929 then were used to encode five 90 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:43,069 bits. 91 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:45,409 So using these five buttons, 92 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:46,939 you can then 93 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:50,449 count and binary up 94 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:51,710 to thirty one. 95 00:03:53,510 --> 00:03:55,669 The spot you have 96 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:56,749 great tonal range. 97 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:59,089 You can play for full octave 98 00:03:59,090 --> 00:04:01,189 with that if you 99 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:02,240 commit the same act on. 100 00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:07,669 But it is a bit hard to memorize 101 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:09,769 32 distinct finger placement, 102 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:10,939 nobody wants to do that. 103 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:13,099 And so I 104 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:16,129 came up with a more ergonomic 105 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:17,130 control scheme 106 00:04:18,470 --> 00:04:20,328 with the next button here. 107 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:21,329 Screw that. 108 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,910 Yeah, using only 109 00:04:26,350 --> 00:04:27,730 five buttons, you. 110 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:31,879 Can ditch one more because that one was 111 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,859 for the thump and was kind of hard to 112 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:35,319 play, it became a thump rest. 113 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,609 I then added two buttons 114 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:42,919 for from the right hand. 115 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,229 And that way I 116 00:04:45,230 --> 00:04:48,049 was able to encode 60 notes 117 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:50,119 and with a right hand 118 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,459 up to four octave, which was. 119 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:55,649 Actually, it became 120 00:04:55,650 --> 00:04:57,689 playable. You only had to remember. 121 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,179 Twelve finger placements, and you 122 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:05,029 could say you started to play 123 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:06,859 semitone, so we had the full tonal range 124 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:09,100 of our tapes, which is quite something. 125 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:12,709 Remembering her finger settings is 126 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:14,809 better than 32, but not 127 00:05:14,810 --> 00:05:17,239 yet Idir and having 16 128 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,699 numbers available for just 129 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:21,559 12 notes that we that I needed. 130 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:26,569 Then the final refinement, I decided 131 00:05:26,570 --> 00:05:27,889 to assign 132 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,219 the footnote to the even 133 00:05:31,220 --> 00:05:34,189 numbers and the semitones 134 00:05:34,190 --> 00:05:35,569 to the uneven ones, 135 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:40,429 that way you only have seven finger 136 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:42,529 placements left and that actually 137 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:44,329 was manageable and has been played last 138 00:05:44,330 --> 00:05:46,609 year on this conference, 139 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:48,499 not by me. I never learned to do this. 140 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:49,500 And 141 00:05:51,050 --> 00:05:53,059 this is the resulting control scheme and 142 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:55,069 this is implemented in the current 143 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:57,259 version. And you see you play 144 00:05:57,260 --> 00:05:59,329 with actually only three of three fingers 145 00:05:59,330 --> 00:06:01,909 and have the pinky left as modifier 146 00:06:01,910 --> 00:06:03,470 for semitones. 147 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:09,379 The sparks, it still has 148 00:06:09,380 --> 00:06:11,809 a lot of unused buttons and 149 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:14,059 has the slight problem 150 00:06:14,060 --> 00:06:16,279 that it is a pain 151 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,379 in the ass to manufacture all 152 00:06:18,380 --> 00:06:20,959 the brass rods and threading 153 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,299 and putting it, 154 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:24,889 it takes ages. 155 00:06:24,890 --> 00:06:26,659 It was kind of uneconomic. 156 00:06:26,660 --> 00:06:28,129 There were tons of cables. 157 00:06:30,570 --> 00:06:33,659 So time for the next iteration, and 158 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:35,819 this is that that what came 159 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:37,949 from that on the 160 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:38,950 other side, 161 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,529 we have the four buttons for the north 162 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:47,099 and a joystick for pitchblende 163 00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:48,870 and modulation as 164 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:52,499 somehow they showed up on synthesizers 165 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:53,639 and never went away. 166 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,859 So I thought I'd go with that 167 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:56,860 and 168 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,409 two sliders for whatever you 169 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:03,709 can assign some continuous control 170 00:07:03,710 --> 00:07:05,999 to that and adjust your sound 171 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,459 and whatever you do with the controller 172 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:12,389 on the lower side, we have 173 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:15,120 now a slider. 174 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:20,339 The slider next to the pressure sensor 175 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:23,249 is used to encode the octave and 176 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:25,470 the whole range is mapped to just four. 177 00:07:26,670 --> 00:07:28,919 If you want more octave that you can 178 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,139 program, then you can actually solve 179 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:33,749 this in software, which is nice, 180 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,119 but it becomes 181 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,189 hard to find your octave that 182 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:39,839 way after some time. 183 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:43,349 And we have a battery as a power supply. 184 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:44,459 So you OK, but now 185 00:07:47,220 --> 00:07:48,480 I'm missing the next button 186 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,339 problem is nothing. 187 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:54,519 What I did is actually 188 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,879 really knew as I found out and 189 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,979 there's tons of prior 190 00:07:58,980 --> 00:07:59,980 art or their. 191 00:08:03,770 --> 00:08:05,929 Especially in the comics and 192 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:08,089 comment section of the godawful blog, 193 00:08:08,090 --> 00:08:10,309 you find lots of people 194 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:12,499 asking about asking 195 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:13,849 questions for their own bids. 196 00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:15,949 So there are really, 197 00:08:15,950 --> 00:08:17,300 really a lot of 198 00:08:18,470 --> 00:08:19,470 guys out there. 199 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,599 As I said, Instructables, this is 200 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,920 the wireless phone. 201 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:29,479 Some build I found 202 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,579 this one is interesting. 203 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:34,009 It is this is a device by Ernestina 204 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:36,168 who started to design these things 205 00:08:36,169 --> 00:08:38,359 in the 60s and built the first ones 206 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,399 in the 70s. 207 00:08:44,630 --> 00:08:46,819 And then actually 208 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:48,919 designed the one big 209 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,389 commercially available product for 210 00:08:50,390 --> 00:08:52,699 marketers, this is a nice dinner 211 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:55,069 design, so there's actually one person 212 00:08:55,070 --> 00:08:57,100 doing or this thing out there. 213 00:09:02,270 --> 00:09:04,559 There are a lot of bills, these things 214 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,799 are available, and I have 215 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,079 never witnessed one being 216 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,659 used in some kind of performance, 217 00:09:11,660 --> 00:09:13,789 so they exist and nobody uses 218 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:15,859 them, which was kind of a mystery 219 00:09:15,860 --> 00:09:16,860 to me. 220 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,939 So there are the reasons why 221 00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:22,139 these things exist. 222 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:24,049 A lot of practical reasons, statistical 223 00:09:24,050 --> 00:09:26,509 reasons. You can control 224 00:09:26,510 --> 00:09:28,399 not just the files as you can control 225 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,479 your Lytro. 226 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,309 And this might make sense in some 227 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:33,529 settings, but the really big 228 00:09:33,530 --> 00:09:35,749 advantage of it is 229 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:38,659 that by traditional instruments 230 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:41,089 are have an interface that is 231 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:43,370 mostly defined by the underlying physics. 232 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:47,849 With an electronic device, you can 233 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:49,219 do what you want to. 234 00:09:49,220 --> 00:09:51,479 You have no such constraints and 235 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,119 you can build an instrument 236 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,339 for somebody who has maybe 237 00:09:56,340 --> 00:09:58,409 a nonstandard number of 238 00:09:58,410 --> 00:10:00,299 fingers or hands. 239 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:03,929 Another idea would be 240 00:10:03,930 --> 00:10:05,789 to ditch the controller completely, 241 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:07,649 replace it with a flip, and you can build 242 00:10:07,650 --> 00:10:10,019 a wind instrument that somebody would 243 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,629 weaken the lung or some other problems 244 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:13,379 can actually play. 245 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:15,689 So there that 246 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:17,759 is the main reason to design these 247 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,949 things, to build 248 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,139 instruments that otherwise 249 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:24,719 for people that otherwise couldn't 250 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,720 play an instrument. 251 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:28,169 As an example, 252 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:32,099 I have the sketch of an eye 253 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:34,319 for a Tyrannosaurus rex with 254 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,929 a very long neck, reinforced 255 00:10:36,930 --> 00:10:39,479 the mouth piece, reinforced 256 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,209 claw pads and another 257 00:10:42,210 --> 00:10:44,279 bend control input that allows 258 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,379 the T-Rex with a pure fine motor 259 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,449 skills to actually play 260 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:49,450 the thing. 261 00:10:52,340 --> 00:10:54,469 Another good reason to be those 262 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:57,229 is to understand what's down 263 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:59,659 and what we have here is 264 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:01,849 the device that is built by ARCI 265 00:11:01,850 --> 00:11:03,889 and and the Psagot. 266 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,569 There's a set of metal rollers 267 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:10,699 and they are opposite 268 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:13,519 of the left hand 269 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,649 finger that they react to 270 00:11:15,650 --> 00:11:17,839 touch. They can 271 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,479 be moved, but they don't detect movement. 272 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,950 And I've seen this and I 273 00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:25,639 didn't understand why somebody would 274 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,189 build such an interface. 275 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:29,190 And 276 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:33,180 then I did this 277 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:36,649 question. 278 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:38,599 We have a question. Oh, thank you. 279 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,600 I own this. 280 00:11:44,780 --> 00:11:46,069 So if you're really interested, I own 281 00:11:46,070 --> 00:11:48,509 this device and I know how to play it and 282 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:50,389 if you know how to play a saxophone, it's 283 00:11:50,390 --> 00:11:52,009 completely obvious why you want to build 284 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:53,149 it that way. 285 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:56,509 I understood it later because 286 00:11:56,510 --> 00:11:58,879 this is the only wind instrument that I 287 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,070 actually own and I can play it, 288 00:12:02,150 --> 00:12:03,229 which is a shame. 289 00:12:03,230 --> 00:12:05,299 I'm planning to learn it since two 290 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:06,300 years or so. 291 00:12:07,730 --> 00:12:10,009 Excuse me, AHTONE Saxophone players here 292 00:12:10,010 --> 00:12:11,010 in the room 293 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:13,920 are 294 00:12:15,620 --> 00:12:18,619 maybe maybe they can help you 295 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:19,279 with that. 296 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,679 I actually figured it out because this 297 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:23,509 set up where the octave selection 298 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:25,579 opposite of the 299 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:27,859 left hand fingers doesn't 300 00:12:27,860 --> 00:12:28,860 work so well. 301 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:31,099 You're putting on the slider 302 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:34,939 and at the same time pushing against your 303 00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:37,489 fingers so you can 304 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:39,979 play notes that require you to release 305 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:41,929 all your fingers and you're just pushing 306 00:12:41,930 --> 00:12:42,979 the instrument out of the mouth. 307 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:45,169 And that 308 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:47,459 may be chromatic element, but it doesn't 309 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:48,799 doesn't really work. 310 00:12:51,230 --> 00:12:53,999 This could be meditated in several ways. 311 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,849 The next step. Like many traditional 312 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:56,850 instruments. 313 00:12:59,780 --> 00:13:01,789 But in the end, I found out that. 314 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,439 These rollers at the arcade 315 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,899 are actually used for a tape selection, 316 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:11,089 so no real new idea, that 317 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:12,079 idea there. 318 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,179 And because they react to touch, you 319 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:15,649 don't really have to push against your 320 00:13:15,650 --> 00:13:17,809 fingers. You can move your left 321 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:19,999 hand fingers completely independent from 322 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,289 your thumb. 323 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:23,780 And because this these rollers, 324 00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:27,469 they give you really good feedback where 325 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:29,569 your thumb is much better 326 00:13:29,570 --> 00:13:31,969 than the mechanical slider. 327 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:34,189 So, yeah, by 328 00:13:34,190 --> 00:13:35,690 building my own device, 329 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:39,649 I kind of imitated 330 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:42,619 accidentally the 331 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:45,229 big one by ARCI and 332 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:46,309 got to understand 333 00:13:47,510 --> 00:13:49,669 why they did what they did, how they came 334 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:50,659 to these conclusions. 335 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:53,209 And I got a really nice understanding 336 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:54,960 about electronic reinforcement. 337 00:13:56,090 --> 00:13:58,159 So this is another good 338 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,009 reason why you 339 00:14:01,010 --> 00:14:02,869 might want to build such a device. 340 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,760 No control. 341 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,579 Yeah, if you thought 342 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:16,349 you would see something revolutionary 343 00:14:16,350 --> 00:14:18,350 here, they exist since the 60s, 344 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:21,700 they make sense. 345 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:24,349 If you have a T-Rex in your life who 346 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:26,209 wants to play wind instrument now, you 347 00:14:26,210 --> 00:14:27,409 can build one for him 348 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:29,959 and you probably should. 349 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,179 If you want to understand 350 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:34,519 these devices, they pose some 351 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,890 interesting software problems. 352 00:14:38,810 --> 00:14:41,069 You don't want to spam your cities 353 00:14:41,070 --> 00:14:43,429 either, but you want to have continuous 354 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:45,229 breath control the whole time. 355 00:14:45,230 --> 00:14:47,299 And you have to balance that out 356 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:51,329 in the sense 357 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:53,509 that the sender is not 358 00:14:53,510 --> 00:14:54,739 quite straightforward. 359 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:56,479 And there are a lot of interesting 360 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,559 problems to solve that 361 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,940 if you don't want to start from scratch. 362 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:04,070 Here are the links and. 363 00:15:06,130 --> 00:15:07,899 The front pages is great. 364 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:09,879 There are several bills and several 365 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,049 different control schemes, 366 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:14,439 and there is a lot 367 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,689 of theory in there, lots of source 368 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:18,510 code and lots of solutions 369 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:20,900 at Peachment. 370 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,219 There's the historical reference. 371 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,859 There are the devices of Noah's dinner 372 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,990 and some other exotic bills. 373 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:33,729 Hopkins' electronic erro phone 374 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:35,829 is actually wireless, 375 00:15:35,830 --> 00:15:37,959 which might be interesting 376 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,609 to build if you are into that. 377 00:15:39,610 --> 00:15:41,839 And of course, we have the 378 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,289 number tronic which you 379 00:15:44,290 --> 00:15:46,270 have seen here and several pictures. 380 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,640 So 381 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:54,169 thank you very much. I have the 382 00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:56,299 impression that I've been quite fast 383 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:57,300 this time, 384 00:15:59,450 --> 00:16:01,459 I'm kind of as relieved as you. 385 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,380 And are there any questions? 386 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:06,589 Fantastic. Thank you very much, CIDRAP. 387 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,069 I think we all appreciate it. 388 00:16:17,070 --> 00:16:19,999 Did come over to speak about Knebel 389 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 instrument. 390 00:16:23,510 --> 00:16:25,489 Actually, I can help you as well to point 391 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:27,659 you to some saxophone players who play 392 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:29,809 this actually kind of devices. 393 00:16:29,810 --> 00:16:31,459 Are the people here among the audience 394 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:34,789 who play this instrument? 395 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:36,989 Is there a possibility maybe to show us 396 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:39,049 all the instruments because you 397 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:41,349 have the theater in your box? 398 00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:44,659 I, I actually brought it with me 399 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:47,839 and the 400 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,119 full bill of materials is 401 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,249 is on the is on 402 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:55,279 the page and there are some 403 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,409 bought which 404 00:16:57,410 --> 00:16:59,869 were you can't all a less than six. 405 00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:02,629 So, so 406 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:04,439 I don't I don't want to hold an orchestra 407 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,029 so. 408 00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:07,578 Yeah not yet but there are 409 00:17:07,579 --> 00:17:09,169 enough people here to make that kind of 410 00:17:09,170 --> 00:17:11,098 band I presume. 411 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:12,499 Is this functional. 412 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:14,629 Is this, is this, can we test 413 00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:16,789 it without having 414 00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:17,790 damages. 415 00:17:18,859 --> 00:17:21,019 Not right now. The firmware is kind 416 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:23,779 of balked currently. 417 00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:26,389 I came here to to 418 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:28,759 finish the development and 419 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,039 to work on the next iteration because 420 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,649 as I said, this solution 421 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:35,779 for octave selection is less 422 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:36,819 than ideal. 423 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:38,929 But there are some people who can 424 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:41,479 help you with that, are there? 425 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,699 I thought that that maybe some some 426 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,739 people around here might know something 427 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:46,859 about building hardware. 428 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:48,650 I'm I'm not sure, but 429 00:17:49,910 --> 00:17:51,799 I don't see any hands yet. 430 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,889 No one there. 431 00:17:54,890 --> 00:17:57,169 OK, we found 432 00:17:57,170 --> 00:17:58,170 one second. 433 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,039 Very nice. 434 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,579 OK, there are questions I presume 435 00:18:03,580 --> 00:18:05,689 is here from the 436 00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:06,690 Internet. 437 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:07,959 Uh, yes. 438 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,599 The question is, why did you choose a 439 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,449 noncanonical set up for the finger 440 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:14,119 buttons and 441 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:15,049 what. 442 00:18:15,050 --> 00:18:17,569 Excuse me. Can you repeat that, please? 443 00:18:17,570 --> 00:18:19,909 Why have you chosen a noncanonical 444 00:18:19,910 --> 00:18:21,410 set up for the finger buttons? 445 00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:25,279 I hated playing the recorder 446 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,679 at school and I wanted to go 447 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,779 as far away as possible from 448 00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:30,780 that. 449 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:39,349 We know that feeling, I presume, is there 450 00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:41,649 another question somewhere here in maybe 451 00:18:41,650 --> 00:18:42,969 oh yeah, one second, please. 452 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:44,490 Take the microphone, sir. 453 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,299 Playing the buttons, yeah, 454 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:54,029 what exactly does the breath do? 455 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:56,009 It's the what does the pressure sensor 456 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:57,719 do? Is it from volume or. 457 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,700 Yeah, it controls the 458 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:02,819 the channel volume. 459 00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:04,889 I think it's C, C seven 460 00:19:04,890 --> 00:19:06,689 or something like that of the whole 461 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:07,690 synthesizer. 462 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,759 So you can define 463 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,009 your your volume envelope for each 464 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:15,359 node. 465 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,360 OK, thank you. 466 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:18,059 Right. 467 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:20,939 And someone else questioned 468 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:22,739 the foreign mikes here, someone on the 469 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:23,279 Internet. 470 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,229 Yes, they are. Please, sir, take the mic. 471 00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:28,349 So if you want to see somebody who's 472 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:31,649 really good at it playing the archive, 473 00:19:31,650 --> 00:19:33,899 you go to YouTube and Google 474 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:36,209 and search for original raised 475 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:37,169 by Michael Brecker. 476 00:19:37,170 --> 00:19:39,969 And then you see a and so 477 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:42,509 I don't return original original 478 00:19:42,510 --> 00:19:44,609 Ray's original 479 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:46,709 by Michael Brecker and his band. 480 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:47,710 OK. 481 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,670 No, thank you. 482 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,009 No one else here with the suggestion, 483 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:58,739 is there a band that can be 484 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,509 now assembled here in the back? 485 00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:03,089 No, but thank you very much once again. 486 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:04,859 Thank you. Trap for this fantastic 487 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:06,239 presentation at.