0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/106 Thanks! 1 00:00:09,190 --> 00:00:11,439 So, yeah, 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,669 this they are taking on what our 3 00:00:12,670 --> 00:00:14,829 monopolies and our social networks. 4 00:00:14,830 --> 00:00:16,899 I really want to put this in your 5 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:17,799 view, right? 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,899 Yup. And so not 7 00:00:19,900 --> 00:00:21,519 all social networks, but they will get to 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,599 that. Yeah. 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,640 So the stage is yours, Mike thinktanks. 10 00:00:25,990 --> 00:00:28,059 Hi, there. After some, after 11 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:29,920 some minor technical difficulties, 12 00:00:30,970 --> 00:00:33,079 I am very happy to be talking to you. 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,199 I this is a privilege for me. 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,549 My name is Mike. 15 00:00:36,550 --> 00:00:39,099 But most of most people in the 16 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:41,109 technical communities and hacker 17 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:42,669 communities called me to shake for some 18 00:00:42,670 --> 00:00:43,989 reason or other. 19 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:46,149 Let's not get into the reason I 20 00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:47,469 work at the free and open source software 21 00:00:47,470 --> 00:00:48,490 foundation in Poland. 22 00:00:49,660 --> 00:00:52,019 It's a NGO that 23 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:54,669 that promotes free software and 24 00:00:54,670 --> 00:00:56,769 open source in different contexts and 25 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:59,079 educational context, in business context 26 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,239 and in any any context. 27 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,639 And I am particularly interested in 28 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,709 anything that has to do with freedom 29 00:01:05,710 --> 00:01:07,869 of speech, with human rights 30 00:01:07,870 --> 00:01:10,059 in the digital era and 31 00:01:10,060 --> 00:01:12,849 in a digital world. 32 00:01:12,850 --> 00:01:14,260 So techno monopolies? 33 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,919 First of all or even before. 34 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,659 Before we get started, I am going to use 35 00:01:19,660 --> 00:01:22,419 some examples that are probably familiar 36 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:24,489 to most of you, and I will 37 00:01:24,490 --> 00:01:26,799 have to do them fast 38 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,389 so they will be a little bit simplified. 39 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:31,029 I apologize for that. 40 00:01:31,030 --> 00:01:32,050 But you have been warned. 41 00:01:33,820 --> 00:01:36,069 OK, so techno is the is is the 42 00:01:36,070 --> 00:01:38,859 simple part of the of the of this word. 43 00:01:38,860 --> 00:01:40,479 It's the part that didn't work for a few 44 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,859 minutes right now. 45 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:42,789 But what are our monopolies? 46 00:01:42,790 --> 00:01:44,199 I think that, you know, monopolies are 47 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,089 quite wrong. 48 00:01:46,090 --> 00:01:48,069 We all know what a monopoly is, right? 49 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:50,079 That's that's basically the more or less 50 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,089 that the definition you have either the 51 00:01:52,090 --> 00:01:54,159 only supplier of a product or service 52 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,229 on a given market or there are some high 53 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:58,509 barriers of entry to the market 54 00:01:58,510 --> 00:02:00,759 or there is no good substitutes for 55 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,409 a given product in the service. 56 00:02:02,410 --> 00:02:03,879 Let's go through that. 57 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,049 That's obvious, right? 58 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,589 For example, you know, when there's 59 00:02:08,590 --> 00:02:09,909 only one supplier of a product or 60 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:12,089 service, that's a monopoly full stop. 61 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:14,259 Well, in the 90s in Poland, we had only 62 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:16,479 one supplier, only one 63 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,859 telephone company. It was called 64 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:19,539 telecommunication postcard, and it was 65 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:21,579 obviously a monopoly. 66 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:23,259 That's no longer the case thanks to 67 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:25,149 anti-monopoly laws, and I know that this 68 00:02:25,150 --> 00:02:27,429 was also the case in many other 69 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:29,289 countries and in many other markets. 70 00:02:30,670 --> 00:02:32,829 So but what? What are these what our high 71 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:34,959 barriers of entry, for example, at 72 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,119 high barrier of entry can be 73 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,279 a patent system when 74 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,719 when somebody offers a product or a 75 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,059 service based on some 76 00:02:43,060 --> 00:02:45,189 technology, some somebody else has 77 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:47,529 to license the technology 78 00:02:47,530 --> 00:02:49,809 from this company or this this person 79 00:02:49,810 --> 00:02:52,209 to be able to also 80 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:54,039 provide this service or this 81 00:02:55,570 --> 00:02:56,570 this product. 82 00:02:58,210 --> 00:03:00,309 So this is a high barrier of entry, 83 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:02,409 right? Because because the price 84 00:03:02,410 --> 00:03:04,689 of the base of the patent license 85 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:06,789 can be can be 86 00:03:06,790 --> 00:03:08,289 very high, for example, right? 87 00:03:08,290 --> 00:03:10,389 What are what 88 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:11,889 does it mean that there is no good 89 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:13,749 subsidy of? Let's just think about 90 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:16,389 Microsoft Office binary per 91 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:18,399 binary formats five years ago. 92 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,529 Right? There was no good substitute 93 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:22,839 for Microsoft Office as far as reading 94 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,209 and writing those particular formats 95 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:26,379 where I was concerned. 96 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:28,929 Right? Unfortunately, unfortunately, 97 00:03:28,930 --> 00:03:31,029 that was that was the 98 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:32,169 case. This was the only product that 99 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:34,369 actually had this functionality. 100 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:36,519 However, we might look 101 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,229 at this particular product. 102 00:03:38,230 --> 00:03:40,359 So what users got was a 103 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,379 vendor lock in in the box. 104 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:43,629 They bought software and they were 105 00:03:43,630 --> 00:03:45,429 vendor locked because nobody else could 106 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:47,529 actually interface 107 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:50,020 with these with these files. 108 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:53,649 What is a healthy market for 109 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:55,449 to on the other side, right? 110 00:03:55,450 --> 00:03:56,889 What's the healthy market? 111 00:03:56,890 --> 00:03:58,959 For example, mobile networks are 112 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,269 mobile and mobile network 113 00:04:01,270 --> 00:04:02,169 operators. 114 00:04:02,170 --> 00:04:04,549 Well, that's a more or less a 115 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:05,649 a healthy market, right? 116 00:04:05,650 --> 00:04:07,119 Because you can choose. 117 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,349 There are well-established centers. 118 00:04:08,350 --> 00:04:10,899 There's that you can keep contact 119 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:12,699 with other people, regardless of which 120 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,559 network they use or even in which country 121 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,689 they are right that the prices might 122 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,909 change a little bit, but this is not 123 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:21,249 prohibiting you from her, from contacting 124 00:04:21,250 --> 00:04:23,529 these are these people within this 125 00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:25,689 particular service so you can freely and 126 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:27,789 independently select both 127 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:29,529 the provider and the device without 128 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:30,999 worrying whether or not you will keep 129 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,529 contact with the people that are using 130 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:34,239 this particular provider are using this 131 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,429 particular kind of device. 132 00:04:36,430 --> 00:04:38,499 This is exactly, for example, this is 133 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:40,629 exactly why Dollar Mobile could 134 00:04:40,630 --> 00:04:41,739 enter the market, right? 135 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:43,029 Because there were standards they could 136 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:45,129 just drop their 137 00:04:45,130 --> 00:04:46,599 devices on the on the market. 138 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,089 And, you know, the service providers 139 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:52,329 didn't really care, but couldn't stop it 140 00:04:52,330 --> 00:04:53,330 in any way. 141 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,059 OK. Another example also 142 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:59,379 obvious. 143 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:00,609 Well, that's email, right? 144 00:05:00,610 --> 00:05:02,109 Also well-established standards so 145 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:04,299 anybody can write a 146 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:06,399 email server or anybody can run 147 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,719 an email server. Right now, everybody 148 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,699 knows how. 149 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:10,769 Well, everybody can check how to 150 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:13,199 do that and write their own 151 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,569 or set up their own server. 152 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:17,819 And again, it's possible to keep contact 153 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:20,999 regardless whether I'm using my own 154 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,679 email server or my hackerspaces email 155 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,599 server and somebody else here uses, for 156 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,730 example, Gmail or whatever mail 157 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:29,669 server, right? This is irrelevant. 158 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:31,889 I can select both the user agent 159 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:34,259 and the service provider, 160 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:36,539 and I can I can be 161 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:38,069 more or less sure that I would be able to 162 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:39,989 keep contact with anybody using this 163 00:05:39,990 --> 00:05:41,939 particular kind of service, regardless of 164 00:05:41,940 --> 00:05:44,099 the provider and the user agent they 165 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:45,059 are. 166 00:05:45,060 --> 00:05:47,279 Yes, they are using now 167 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,349 a little bit of history where 168 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,479 web designers hold, 169 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,949 you know, grab something. 170 00:05:54,580 --> 00:05:56,699 Yeah. Do we have any 171 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:58,050 web designers here? What web 172 00:05:59,430 --> 00:06:01,709 developers here ends up? 173 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:04,559 Yeah. Do you remember this beautiful 174 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,560 logo? 175 00:06:06,210 --> 00:06:08,369 You know, embrace, extend explorer and 176 00:06:08,370 --> 00:06:09,749 websites created for a particular 177 00:06:09,750 --> 00:06:11,879 browser, you know, 2006 try to make 178 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,979 a try to make a website that works 179 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:15,179 in different browsers. 180 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:16,829 Good luck with that. 181 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:18,599 So there were barriers to selecting your 182 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,649 browser freely. Right? 183 00:06:19,650 --> 00:06:21,509 There were barriers for users. 184 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:23,639 The user could not select a browser 185 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,709 freely because most websites were written 186 00:06:25,710 --> 00:06:26,910 for Internet Explorer, right? 187 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,599 There were barriers for websites creators 188 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,919 because they had, you know, standards 189 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,719 they could read and see, Oh, so I should 190 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,339 write this website in this particular 191 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:37,019 way. Oh, but that doesn't work for this 192 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:38,939 particular browser, and this is the most 193 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:40,919 used browser, so I should write for that 194 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,389 about how to write for that. 195 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:44,489 There are no standards, and there 196 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:46,799 were barriers of entry for 197 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,899 far browser creators, for browser 198 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:49,889 developers, right? 199 00:06:49,890 --> 00:06:51,689 Because they had to not only implement 200 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:54,119 the standards, but also somehow managed 201 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,949 to show the websites written for this 202 00:06:55,950 --> 00:06:58,139 particular browser in a way 203 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:00,389 that was, let's call it, 204 00:07:00,390 --> 00:07:01,390 usable. Right? 205 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,759 And this happened. 206 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,159 So we got a an 207 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,289 organization that got us back 208 00:07:10,290 --> 00:07:12,839 on track by insisting 209 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,519 to use the standards properly 210 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,519 and and 211 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:20,759 writing a good product, creating a good 212 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,999 product with users wanted to use 213 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,199 it. And thanks to that, we can 214 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,389 now independently, independently choose 215 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:29,710 a browser. 216 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:32,489 So, so some of the web developers 217 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:34,829 probably remember these old black, dark 218 00:07:34,830 --> 00:07:36,989 times and those are black times 219 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:38,569 are somewhere in our law 220 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:41,979 in, for example, like 221 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,050 like. That's right. 222 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:46,649 But this is this is a very 223 00:07:46,650 --> 00:07:49,259 ironical, you know, picture 224 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:51,449 most of us do not get the irony yet. 225 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:53,279 I will get back to the irony in this 226 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,409 picture. Some of you might already 227 00:07:55,410 --> 00:07:57,839 have no idea what that might be 228 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,299 anyway. So health market 229 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:01,379 is Google search. 230 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:03,629 Well, is web search a healthy 231 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:05,759 market? Well, there is a low 232 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,049 barrier of entry. 233 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:08,050 More or less. 234 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:11,009 There are several providers already, so 235 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:12,719 we can choose a provider regardless of 236 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,459 Google's dominance. We have a dominant 237 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:16,709 player on the market, but we can choose 238 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:18,689 to use, for example, DuckDuckGo or 239 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:20,759 anything else. 240 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,899 Right? 241 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:23,549 So I wouldn't I would say that this is 242 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:25,889 indeed some an 243 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:27,869 example of a healthy market. 244 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:29,999 OK. So if we 245 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,308 have if we have a more healthy market, 246 00:08:32,309 --> 00:08:34,408 we have, for example, mobile network 247 00:08:34,409 --> 00:08:35,409 service providers 248 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:39,119 we can choose, you know, we can 249 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,249 tier it, we can we can see, 250 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:42,449 OK, so this is the service, right? 251 00:08:42,450 --> 00:08:44,038 The service is mobile telephony and data 252 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,079 transmission or whatever we call it. 253 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,189 But then we have the provider. 254 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:48,659 We can select the provider and then we 255 00:08:48,660 --> 00:08:50,189 can select the device completely 256 00:08:50,190 --> 00:08:51,749 independently of 257 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,569 of each other, right? 258 00:08:54,570 --> 00:08:55,859 So I don't know. 259 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:58,049 T-Mobile Orange doesn't care what kind of 260 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:59,279 what kind of phone I use. 261 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,289 As long as it's compliant to standard 262 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:05,849 social networks is, this is how we know. 263 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:08,129 This is how we see the social 264 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:09,539 networks market, right? 265 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:11,669 We have the social networks market and we 266 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:13,409 can choose from several providers, for 267 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:15,839 example, Twitter, Facebook and Google. 268 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,969 And we can use a different, let's call 269 00:09:17,970 --> 00:09:20,249 it, user agent right or 270 00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:22,899 the terminal that we used to 271 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,029 to use the service. 272 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:25,329 For example, Twitter calling for 273 00:09:25,330 --> 00:09:27,509 facebook.com or plus google.com 274 00:09:27,510 --> 00:09:28,829 or whatever. That's the client's mobile 275 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:31,409 clients that are anointed by those and 276 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:32,699 by those companies. 277 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:34,649 But something's wrong with this picture, 278 00:09:34,650 --> 00:09:37,319 and I will get back to that in a minute. 279 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,449 But first of all, let's do 280 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:41,549 a small Duncan experiment, right? 281 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:43,259 A small thought experiment. 282 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:44,639 What would happen? 283 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,799 Like, we all know that 284 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,049 in Europe and in many other places 285 00:09:49,050 --> 00:09:51,419 in the world, we can use the same 286 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:52,689 power socket, right? 287 00:09:52,690 --> 00:09:54,779 We have a we have an electrical 288 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:55,799 device. 289 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,569 Also, I would like to welcome all the 290 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:58,739 people from Great Britain here. 291 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,729 So we have an electrical device and 292 00:10:02,730 --> 00:10:04,229 thanks to the fact that it's basically 293 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:05,939 standardized, we can just plug it in and 294 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:07,709 it'll work right without burning, without 295 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:08,779 crashing, without. 296 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:12,139 Doing something nasty, hopefully. 297 00:10:12,140 --> 00:10:14,269 But what would happen if a if a large 298 00:10:14,270 --> 00:10:16,759 manufacturer of electrical devices 299 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,889 decided well, it would be 300 00:10:18,890 --> 00:10:20,599 more conducive to my business, it would 301 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,909 be more interesting 302 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:25,639 for me to provide my own 303 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,039 plugged standard right. 304 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,479 I will make my own plugs. 305 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,909 I will make my own sockets. 306 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:34,249 Right. And if you want to use my devices, 307 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:36,319 you will have to have my sockets in your 308 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,359 home, right? 309 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,859 Something's wrong with that. 310 00:10:39,860 --> 00:10:42,169 Wouldn't we agree? I mean, probably 311 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:43,939 the customers would say, Well, that's 312 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:46,369 crazy. I will not lie, you know, create 313 00:10:46,370 --> 00:10:48,439 new sockets at my in my home just to 314 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,769 use the devices of this particular, 315 00:10:51,770 --> 00:10:53,269 this particular company. 316 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,309 That's that's crazy. 317 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:57,319 Media would probably be quite interested 318 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,940 in this, this crazy 319 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:01,140 idea. 320 00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:04,099 And and probably you 321 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:06,349 would get probably some 322 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:08,539 some kind of agency or institution 323 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:10,879 would get involved and try to make 324 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,219 this particular company adhere to 325 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:14,899 the standards, right? 326 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:17,029 They will say, Well, you know, here we 327 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:18,079 do this our way. 328 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,879 We have the standards that say that there 329 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,069 are like two hundred thirty 330 00:11:22,070 --> 00:11:24,230 volts and you know, you have those two, 331 00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:26,550 those two 332 00:11:27,830 --> 00:11:28,909 points in the plug. 333 00:11:28,910 --> 00:11:30,829 And this this is the way we do that 334 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:32,989 either play along or 335 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:33,990 seer. Right. 336 00:11:35,270 --> 00:11:36,799 But the interesting thing is, this is 337 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,719 obvious for us when we were talking about 338 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,939 standard plugs, but this is not obvious 339 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:42,769 to us when we're talking about electrical 340 00:11:42,770 --> 00:11:44,089 cars. 341 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:46,369 Oh yeah, like, we're we're 342 00:11:46,370 --> 00:11:48,609 going we're doing a 343 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:50,089 off topic and off topic right now. 344 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:51,499 No, we're not. But OK. 345 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,209 So when we're dealing with electrical 346 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:54,799 cars, every single manufacturer of 347 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,989 electrical cars is, you 348 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:59,449 know, doing their own sockets, 349 00:11:59,450 --> 00:12:01,939 doing their own electrical 350 00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:04,399 circuits. They're doing their own ways of 351 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,780 of of charging those, 352 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,539 those cars. 353 00:12:08,540 --> 00:12:10,819 This is crazy. And they are actually then 354 00:12:10,820 --> 00:12:12,829 going into deals with cities or countries 355 00:12:12,830 --> 00:12:14,629 or or some local communities are saying, 356 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:16,699 Listen, we will give you a discount or 357 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,889 we will even somehow support you if 358 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:21,589 you will support our particular 359 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:23,989 kind of electrical car 360 00:12:23,990 --> 00:12:26,299 and electrical power socket for cars 361 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:27,499 on your terrain. 362 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:29,599 So what we get, even though 363 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,089 we seem to have a market, 364 00:12:32,090 --> 00:12:33,769 right, so this company produces 365 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:36,019 electrical cost to this company of 366 00:12:36,020 --> 00:12:37,999 electrical cars, this company is trying 367 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,719 to produce electrical cars. 368 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:40,909 OK, let's play along. 369 00:12:42,170 --> 00:12:44,569 So we seem to think that this is a 370 00:12:44,570 --> 00:12:46,699 market, but what we actually get 371 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:49,039 are localized monopolies. 372 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,929 Right? You cannot get your electrical car 373 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:52,999 that is compatible with this particular 374 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,959 companies. 375 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,789 Deal with this particular city and go to 376 00:12:55,790 --> 00:12:57,950 another city and hope to charge that car. 377 00:12:59,060 --> 00:13:00,499 Oh, that's not good. 378 00:13:02,030 --> 00:13:03,950 So getting back on track, 379 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:07,429 getting back on track, who has a Facebook 380 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:09,689 account and tie 381 00:13:09,690 --> 00:13:10,719 hentai? Don't lie. 382 00:13:12,830 --> 00:13:13,830 I don't. 383 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,289 OK. And why won't you close it and move 384 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:20,059 it to move to Jasper on Google Plus? 385 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:22,009 This is not a hands up question right 386 00:13:22,010 --> 00:13:24,529 then. So because 387 00:13:24,530 --> 00:13:26,809 because we all know, because we all know 388 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:28,009 the answer, right? 389 00:13:28,010 --> 00:13:29,659 We you know, all my friends are on 390 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:31,159 Facebook, right? 391 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,929 All my contacts are on Facebook. 392 00:13:32,930 --> 00:13:35,029 And no other providers, no 393 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:37,399 other provider provides the service 394 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,079 of contacting those people on Facebook. 395 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,519 Oh, wait, this sounds like a monopoly, 396 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,520 doesn't it? 397 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:45,679 And this is exactly the same thing we had 398 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:46,849 here. 399 00:13:46,850 --> 00:13:49,249 I cannot charge my car here, right? 400 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:50,779 I have to charge my car here because this 401 00:13:50,780 --> 00:13:52,729 is the deal I get with this particular 402 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:54,799 manufacturer. So I would say 403 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,109 that this is more or less 404 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:58,459 the same thing because Facebook is the 405 00:13:58,460 --> 00:14:00,319 only provider of the service of keeping 406 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,689 in touch with people that use Facebook. 407 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:05,299 Obviously, you can find other ways of 408 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:07,429 connecting with those people, just 409 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:09,259 as you can find other ways of getting 410 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:11,239 from point A to point B instead of 411 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,949 electrical car. 412 00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:14,839 Right? But if you want to use an 413 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,609 electrical car in this city, in that 414 00:14:16,610 --> 00:14:18,289 city, you're not going to do that. 415 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:20,329 If you want to use your, for example, 416 00:14:20,330 --> 00:14:22,129 Twitter account to connect to Facebook 417 00:14:22,130 --> 00:14:24,469 users. This is not going to go 418 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:26,929 to work. So why are we seeing this? 419 00:14:26,930 --> 00:14:27,979 Remember the slide? 420 00:14:27,980 --> 00:14:29,959 The slide was like five minutes ago. 421 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,949 Hope you remember it. 422 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:33,169 So when 423 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:35,059 we think about social networks, we think 424 00:14:35,060 --> 00:14:37,099 about this, this kind of this kind of 425 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,749 thing, right? When we have, we can tag 426 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:40,249 the provider, we can select the user 427 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:41,250 agent only we can 428 00:14:42,380 --> 00:14:44,779 because there are actually vertically 429 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:47,089 integrated monopolies in 430 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:49,699 the in the service of contacting 431 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,379 you with Facebook users, there is only 432 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:52,699 one provider. Yes. 433 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:54,319 Was that right? 434 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,349 And there is only one user agent or 435 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:58,789 there are several user agents, but there 436 00:14:58,790 --> 00:15:01,069 are all anointed and accepted 437 00:15:01,070 --> 00:15:02,409 by a particular company. 438 00:15:02,410 --> 00:15:04,879 Right. You cannot have a Twitter client 439 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,049 using Facebook. 440 00:15:06,050 --> 00:15:08,149 Well, it's it's absurd, but for some 441 00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:10,519 reason it's not absurd for us to 442 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,629 expect that. 443 00:15:11,630 --> 00:15:13,909 I don't know. Panasonic Electrical Device 444 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:15,979 will work with a power socket made by 445 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:17,569 some other company. 446 00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:19,699 Right. So way this is 447 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,979 yeah, this is accepted and that not. 448 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:24,589 But let's go. 449 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:25,939 Let's go. Let's go further. 450 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:28,159 The point here is that we cannot 451 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,289 we cannot freely choose, you 452 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:32,539 know, every single element 453 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,339 of, you know, in this market, this is not 454 00:15:34,340 --> 00:15:35,989 a single market. Those are three 455 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:37,369 different markets. 456 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:39,079 Those are three different monopolies. 457 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,209 Who has more than one account was 458 00:15:41,210 --> 00:15:43,729 an account on Facebook and Twitter or 459 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:46,489 Google and Twitter, etc. 460 00:15:46,490 --> 00:15:48,049 Why? 461 00:15:48,050 --> 00:15:49,849 Why do you have several different power 462 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:51,499 sockets at home? 463 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:52,849 I'm not. I'm not trolling. 464 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:54,409 I'm, you know, I'm trying to make a 465 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:56,719 point, which also 466 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,160 sometimes is actually troubling. 467 00:15:59,450 --> 00:16:00,450 So 468 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,069 this is also the case, right? 469 00:16:04,070 --> 00:16:05,419 We have other services. 470 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:07,759 We seem to have a single 471 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,829 Jordan. Well, I don't know cloud 472 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:12,259 drive market only we don't. 473 00:16:12,260 --> 00:16:13,340 We cannot easily 474 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,619 switch providers. 475 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:17,629 We would have to download everything from 476 00:16:17,630 --> 00:16:19,909 Provider A and move to Provider B 477 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:21,979 on either their formats. 478 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:23,719 I might not exactly be. 479 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,579 For example, metadata formats might not 480 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:27,679 exactly be fully compatible, and 481 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,539 you can only use this client with this 482 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:32,809 particular provider. 483 00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:35,369 And also internally 484 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:37,189 instant messaging, right? 485 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:38,509 This is the same situation. 486 00:16:38,510 --> 00:16:40,639 We have Skype. We have a message 487 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,739 we had MSN, but now it's 488 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,669 Skynet, right? 489 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:44,670 Skype dot net. 490 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:46,970 We kind of have 491 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:50,359 an next MVP, which is nice, right? 492 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,409 Only we are. 493 00:16:51,410 --> 00:16:53,479 We are slowly getting a problem with 494 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,909 that because Google has announced 495 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:58,039 some time ago that, yeah, maybe we 496 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,959 should move into Hangouts and like, you 497 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,719 know, close the server to server 498 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,879 service. Oh, by the way, Facebook 499 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,559 chat actually uses SMB. 500 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,328 You probably know that right on the 501 00:17:08,329 --> 00:17:10,429 backend, but they just don't let other 502 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:12,348 servers connect to their servers. 503 00:17:12,349 --> 00:17:14,179 And, for example, they don't they won't 504 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:15,239 let. 505 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,358 Also hackerspace Java server 506 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,469 talk to Facebook server. 507 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:21,169 Right? It's not their business 508 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:23,279 strategy. So this is this is 509 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,649 the vertical integration, right? 510 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:26,809 And this last thing, the gi-toc, 511 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:28,999 the Google thing is the most interesting, 512 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,399 I would say, because it shows, 513 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,569 yeah, another thing. 514 00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:34,789 It shows the network effect, right? 515 00:17:36,050 --> 00:17:38,149 Obviously, you would say, Oh, 516 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:39,389 but it's more convenient that way. 517 00:17:39,390 --> 00:17:41,899 Google is such such a nice interface 518 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:43,909 and you know, and everybody uses Google. 519 00:17:43,910 --> 00:17:45,499 So why shouldn't I use Google? 520 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,839 I can make my decisions for myself, 521 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,999 right? I can make my decisions 522 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,769 for myself. Unfortunately, this this 523 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:53,839 little thing called the network effect, 524 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,739 which is pretty simple. 525 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:55,659 The more people use it, give them 526 00:17:55,660 --> 00:17:57,139 communications platform, the more people 527 00:17:57,140 --> 00:17:59,119 will start using it right or the more 528 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,229 people use it, the more people use. 529 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:01,279 It would sound silly. 530 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:05,059 But this, though this is obvious, 531 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:06,949 right? The more people use the telephone, 532 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:08,419 you know, started to use telephone, the 533 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:10,609 more people wanted to use the telephone 534 00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:12,199 service, right? Because of that, to stay 535 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,729 in touch with with those people, this is 536 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:14,939 the same. 537 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:17,549 That keeps you in Facebook, 538 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:18,449 right? 539 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:20,579 Are all our friends are there. 540 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:22,319 But it gets a little bit. 541 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,539 It's get it gets a little bit hairy at 542 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:25,919 some point because when you have a 543 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,929 critical mass of users, it's harder to 544 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:29,549 stay outside. 545 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:31,769 Right? Because you get all my 546 00:18:31,770 --> 00:18:33,629 friends are there. Maybe I should join. 547 00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:36,029 Is that only maybe I can 548 00:18:36,030 --> 00:18:37,949 go out, or maybe I can, because all my 549 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:38,939 friends are here? No, no. 550 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:40,859 It's it's sometimes it's like, Oh, maybe 551 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:42,029 I should join. 552 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:44,159 Do we have any person here that had to 553 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,379 join Facebook or Twitter Google because 554 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:48,689 it was somehow required 555 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:50,999 by their school or university 556 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,929 or other? 557 00:18:51,930 --> 00:18:53,999 Thank you. There's one place to the three 558 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,619 for more. Yes, thank you. 559 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:56,730 See, this is how it works. 560 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:00,029 Some of you maybe didn't want to join, 561 00:19:00,030 --> 00:19:02,249 but they had you, but you had to join 562 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:03,689 because other people join, and we thought 563 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:05,219 it was obvious to make a group on 564 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,899 Facebook or whatever, right? 565 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:09,899 But that also means that the more power 566 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:11,159 that means more power to the entity 567 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,869 controlling the platform, because to join 568 00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:14,639 Facebook, you had to accept Facebook's 569 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,109 terms of service. 570 00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:18,449 So suddenly, somehow 571 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:20,819 accepting Facebook terms of service 572 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:22,439 was a requirement for you to get your 573 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,640 education. I don't get that. 574 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,309 Do we see a problem here? 575 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:27,269 Right? 576 00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:28,979 There's something, something something's 577 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:30,090 fishy with this, 578 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:32,219 with this image. 579 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:33,689 And now we're getting back to the irony. 580 00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:34,739 Who is this Google Chrome 581 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:38,459 down behind on site? 582 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:41,009 Who uses Google Chrome as their main 583 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:42,010 browser? 584 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:45,479 OK, who doesn't use any other browser 585 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,709 rather? 586 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:48,029 OK, so there are even people like that. 587 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:49,030 OK. 588 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:52,739 Yeah, that's that's the second question. 589 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:55,019 So but we already 590 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:57,089 know what happens when people use, you 591 00:19:57,090 --> 00:19:59,309 know, when, when we have a monoculture 592 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:01,439 of browsers of closed 593 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,749 source, unforeseeable 594 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:05,819 browsers. We have a Chromium project, but 595 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:07,529 we don't know what Google will do with 596 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:08,639 Chrome in a year. 597 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,859 Maybe they will push for their 598 00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:12,359 speedy Y protocol. 599 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,899 Maybe they will break the internet, other 600 00:20:13,900 --> 00:20:15,989 ism in some other interesting ways 601 00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:17,669 like they're trying to do with SMP, 602 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:19,410 right? Do you see the irony here? 603 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,579 We swapped Internet Explorer browsers 604 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:26,069 with with the other 605 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:28,379 kind of the same problem. 606 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:30,299 So look who's talking OK, who uses 607 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,430 Google's SMP or gi-toc? 608 00:20:35,010 --> 00:20:37,589 Who has any other account? 609 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:39,509 Hands up. OK, that's that's great. 610 00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:41,159 That's great. Thank God, I'm here and not 611 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,259 somewhere else and 612 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:45,209 uses it. This is the this is the 613 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:47,039 important part. This is this is a very 614 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,349 important question because if we all 615 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:51,569 move to gi-toc, Google will 616 00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:53,309 be able to just say, well, whatever. 617 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:55,409 I have 99 percent or 90 percent 618 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,539 of users of Jabber or I don't care about 619 00:20:57,540 --> 00:20:58,519 the rest, right? 620 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,239 I can just close it off. 621 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,549 Good luck with that. Embrace, extend, 622 00:21:02,550 --> 00:21:04,649 extinguish. And this is exactly my 623 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:06,569 point. This is a freedom, ecology and 624 00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:07,859 ecology of freedom. 625 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:10,919 This is not only our own decision. 626 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,869 If Google does that, I will not join 627 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:13,919 Google. Right? 628 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,229 But if Google does that, I will suddenly 629 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,569 stop being able to communicate via Skype 630 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:20,669 with 90 percent of my contacts on 631 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:21,659 XM. 632 00:21:21,660 --> 00:21:23,909 Right? So that 633 00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:26,009 decision is not only ours to 634 00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:27,809 make right. I didn't make that decision. 635 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:29,909 Somebody made it for me, and it's not 636 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:32,659 like, you know, somebody I will show, 637 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:34,019 like with my finger, right? 638 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:36,359 But it's just happened somehow. 639 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,360 So 640 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:43,169 what to do, what to do, what to do? 641 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:44,459 We have obviously, we have laws. 642 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:46,349 We have agencies against monopolies. 643 00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:48,329 First thing to do is to start looking at 644 00:21:48,330 --> 00:21:50,099 monopolies as if they were actually 645 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:50,999 monopolies. 646 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,129 Right. We have some monopolies that we do 647 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:54,539 not recognize as monopolies. 648 00:21:54,540 --> 00:21:56,789 Maybe we should start doing so and start 649 00:21:56,790 --> 00:21:57,929 thinking about that. 650 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:59,309 But from the user's perspective, 651 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:03,899 it's actually easier. 652 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,099 Thank you. 653 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:06,100 Thank you. 654 00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:10,129 It's actually it's actually not that 655 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:12,469 hard. You know, you can use Diaspora, who 656 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:13,470 has the Diaspora account. 657 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:16,729 Yay. Ray, let's swap our 658 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:17,730 contacts afterwards 659 00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:22,789 so you can use some other excellent 660 00:22:22,790 --> 00:22:25,039 service which you already do. 661 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,259 Your hackerspace or your local 662 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:30,259 users group or your whatever company. 663 00:22:30,260 --> 00:22:32,209 You know, most of us companies have email 664 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:34,429 servers. Most, most hacker spaces 665 00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:35,599 have e-mail servers and some other 666 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,849 servers. Why not that type of diaspora 667 00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:39,889 or some other social network, right? 668 00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:41,359 Just decentralize it. 669 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,360 Be done with it. 670 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,199 Right, right. 671 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,359 I mean, if you can just do that 672 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,309 just from your server, just run your 673 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:50,399 service. 674 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,579 Just keep your keep your 675 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:53,659 data. 676 00:22:53,660 --> 00:22:55,579 Keep your data close to you and keep your 677 00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:57,529 friends close to you and not to Mr. 678 00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:00,409 Zuckerberg or or 679 00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:02,149 whoever. It's easier. 680 00:23:02,150 --> 00:23:04,209 And once you do that, you know, the 681 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:05,509 thought is great. 682 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:06,889 It feels great. 683 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:08,389 So thanks. 684 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:09,529 Thanks a lot. 685 00:23:09,530 --> 00:23:10,579 I hope it wasn't too fast. 686 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:12,649 I had only 30 minutes and I saw 687 00:23:12,650 --> 00:23:14,929 the cards that I were being shown to me. 688 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:15,930 I saw that. 689 00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:18,769 So thank you very much. 690 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:20,839 I hope we can meet at some bar 691 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,309 or some other decentralized, social 692 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:25,519 or a social network. 693 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,959 And are there any questions? 694 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,209 Yeah, we have five minutes for questions. 695 00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:30,210 Oh my God, five minutes. 696 00:23:32,740 --> 00:23:35,039 So you spoke about social network, 697 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,849 and I have to make this question. 698 00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:38,949 Last time I checked, there were 699 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:41,259 at least three or four open 700 00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:43,629 source slash reasons 701 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,789 after such a network, which are 702 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:47,799 not compatible when we challenge the as 703 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,779 far as we know this right? 704 00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:50,949 And they asked for doesn't know how to 705 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:52,749 talk with an identity guy and you didn't 706 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:54,819 know who to talk with Gloria and 707 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:56,499 Luria doesn't know how to talk with 708 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:57,500 anybody. 709 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:00,669 Yeah. Do we have? 710 00:24:00,670 --> 00:24:02,889 Do we have any 711 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:04,449 Diaspora developers are frantically. 712 00:24:04,450 --> 00:24:06,069 Our developers are ours that doesn't have 713 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:08,139 developers here, et cetera, et cetera. 714 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:10,359 Do any of you that are does 715 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,209 anybody of those developers are 716 00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:14,210 is 717 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:17,869 on the on the C three 718 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,339 with three C Federated 719 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:23,829 Social Web mailing list? 720 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,019 There was a huge thread 721 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:28,089 about maybe trying to finally 722 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:30,159 federate between those networks, and I'm 723 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,239 all for that. 724 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,889 That would be great. So if the if the 725 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,169 developers here that I mean, people 726 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:37,389 want that and this is the only way to to 727 00:24:37,390 --> 00:24:39,549 actually remove them the biggest 728 00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:41,410 impediment for users 729 00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:44,649 so that they can use the the 730 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:46,479 social the Federated Social Web. 731 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,799 Right. The impediment being 732 00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:51,969 which should I use 733 00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:53,089 and why? 734 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:54,090 Yes. 735 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,939 Yeah. Apparently, we have to to 736 00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:00,069 start the next 737 00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:02,199 hour. I'll say that we we 738 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,149 have to start setting up for the next 739 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:05,150 talk. 740 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:07,689 So I want to just give you the last 741 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:09,339 question, which was on that microphone 742 00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:10,509 over there. 743 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:12,069 OK, thank you. 744 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,939 There are institutions who are enforcing 745 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:19,659 that no one police in other 746 00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:21,879 areas to think it's 747 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,009 realistic that this will happen also 748 00:25:24,010 --> 00:25:25,010 in these areas. 749 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:28,989 It's a good question. 750 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:31,359 During a discussion before this talk 751 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,329 a few hours ago, 752 00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:36,189 somebody asked me, Have you heard about 753 00:25:36,190 --> 00:25:38,649 the joint French and German 754 00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:39,650 search engine? 755 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,600 Just Google it? 756 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,219 That was that was an idea of of, you 757 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:47,619 know, fighting with the monopoly of 758 00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:48,849 of of Google. 759 00:25:48,850 --> 00:25:51,099 And obviously not every single, not every 760 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:52,839 single thing that such an agency or 761 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,909 institution or whatever can do 762 00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:57,189 will be effective and will be 763 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:58,839 actually doing something good. 764 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,909 But my point is, I don't know about those 765 00:26:00,910 --> 00:26:01,989 agencies. I don't work there. 766 00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:04,119 I don't even really know the name 767 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,919 of them, but I know they're there. 768 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,029 They are there somewhere. 769 00:26:07,030 --> 00:26:09,009 But maybe we should start thinking about 770 00:26:09,010 --> 00:26:10,389 monopolies as monopolies. 771 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:12,159 Maybe this is where we were, where we 772 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,749 should start. This is the easiest place, 773 00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:15,699 actually, right? Just switch something in 774 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,859 your head and and accept 775 00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:19,269 the consequences of of. 776 00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:21,449 You know, these 777 00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:23,679 these strange little 778 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,659 blocks here. 779 00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:27,669 Right? 780 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:28,670 Thank you.