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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/430 Thanks! 1 00:00:09,460 --> 00:00:11,719 Thank you very much for accepting my dog 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,189 for coming here. 3 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:15,499 Also, thank you very much for giving me 4 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:17,779 the cable Internet. 5 00:00:17,780 --> 00:00:19,789 I ask for it, but there is only cable. 6 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:21,979 There is no socket to put 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:22,969 it in here. 8 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:25,609 So it will be maybe a bit slower 9 00:00:25,610 --> 00:00:28,339 than I expected and maybe I even 10 00:00:28,340 --> 00:00:31,159 have to show a bit less 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,409 of what I intended. 12 00:00:33,410 --> 00:00:35,569 OK, if you can imagine from 13 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:37,759 the title of my work subtitle 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,729 of my work description 15 00:00:40,730 --> 00:00:42,889 and the images that are in there 16 00:00:42,890 --> 00:00:45,799 now, I'm going to talk about the earlier 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,800 World Wide Web. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,149 And I have a lot of 19 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:52,759 I have a lot to show to share with you. 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,829 And I'm a bit afraid that there will 21 00:00:54,830 --> 00:00:56,269 be not enough time. 22 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:58,009 And then for the conclusion. 23 00:00:58,010 --> 00:01:00,829 So let me please make 24 00:01:00,830 --> 00:01:02,989 some statements right 25 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:04,039 now. 26 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,859 So what I am and 27 00:01:06,860 --> 00:01:08,599 and the last. 28 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:20,229 So final 29 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:22,839 originally Philmont statements, 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,029 what I am going to show to 31 00:01:25,030 --> 00:01:27,399 you now has 32 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,579 nothing to do with nostalgia. 33 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:32,799 I am not showing through your out of 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,929 nostalgia and I 35 00:01:34,930 --> 00:01:37,329 really believe that making Web 36 00:01:37,330 --> 00:01:39,429 pages is one of the 37 00:01:39,430 --> 00:01:41,609 most conscious activities 38 00:01:41,610 --> 00:01:43,959 made specific conscious activities 39 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,419 that computer users 40 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:47,949 can do in 41 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:50,889 this world. 42 00:01:50,890 --> 00:01:53,049 And also there is 43 00:01:53,050 --> 00:01:55,329 a making a web page 44 00:01:55,330 --> 00:01:57,639 is something worth where 45 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,979 you historically you learn how things 46 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:00,980 work. 47 00:02:01,570 --> 00:02:04,629 You write the code 48 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:06,819 historically, also 49 00:02:06,820 --> 00:02:09,788 making the Web page meant 50 00:02:09,789 --> 00:02:12,469 to answer some existential questions. 51 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:14,529 So it was, 52 00:02:14,530 --> 00:02:17,109 let's say, also a philosophical exercise 53 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:19,359 in philosophy because you had to answer 54 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,609 questions, actually, who 55 00:02:21,610 --> 00:02:24,729 am I? What do I have to say to the world? 56 00:02:24,730 --> 00:02:26,889 And it's a bit what 57 00:02:26,890 --> 00:02:29,169 should my page be about now? 58 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:31,569 And this is a bit more than to 59 00:02:31,570 --> 00:02:33,669 answer the question of today, 60 00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:35,979 like, what are you doing today or 61 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:38,199 who is on this photo now, 62 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,609 though, of course, you also can't 63 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:41,589 underestimate such questions. 64 00:02:42,590 --> 00:02:44,979 Well, so you had to answer 65 00:02:44,980 --> 00:02:46,629 existential questions. 66 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:48,939 And if you find out 67 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:50,949 that you don't actually have anything to 68 00:02:50,950 --> 00:02:53,259 say to this world about yourself, 69 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:55,359 about anything, you can't even make 70 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,519 a hate Beckstead 71 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,889 page or a Beckstead 72 00:02:59,890 --> 00:03:02,889 Web page, then you can still be 73 00:03:02,890 --> 00:03:04,869 node in the network. 74 00:03:04,870 --> 00:03:06,789 So you can create a Web page with the 75 00:03:06,790 --> 00:03:08,799 links to other Web pages. 76 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,219 So I'm going to talk now about the time 77 00:03:12,220 --> 00:03:14,379 that when Web pages 78 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:16,539 were made like this, like when 79 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:18,849 users thought that they 80 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:21,549 are responsible for providing 81 00:03:21,550 --> 00:03:23,949 links to search engines 82 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:26,079 and not vice versa. 83 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,749 And it's also a time when 84 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:31,479 users warm open 85 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,699 source codes of other users 86 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:35,799 Web pages and making their own. 87 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,359 And this is how they learn. 88 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,669 And so and we're 89 00:03:39,670 --> 00:03:42,039 making a world wide web bigger, 90 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,449 bigger and bigger. 91 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:45,579 And this is yeah, it's very 92 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:48,549 important to keep this activity 93 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:50,709 alive in order 94 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:53,569 to resist the algorithmic 95 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:56,109 overcommunication and Selter presentation 96 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:57,489 that we have today. 97 00:03:57,490 --> 00:03:59,589 And they also should mention that I am 98 00:03:59,590 --> 00:04:01,689 very happy, in fact, about 99 00:04:01,690 --> 00:04:04,089 today's situation online, 100 00:04:04,090 --> 00:04:06,159 because I see that there is already 101 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,259 a second wave of interest to 102 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:09,549 the early web. 103 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:12,399 The first one was, let's say, 104 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,859 six, seven years ago when 105 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:16,838 there was interest to animated GIFs, to 106 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,999 under-construction under-construction 107 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,859 science, to all the visuals. 108 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:23,319 And yes, so 109 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,009 Stobo Gronstal to the esthetics. 110 00:04:26,010 --> 00:04:28,089 And today, we fortunately have 111 00:04:28,090 --> 00:04:30,279 initiatives where 112 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:32,439 the fact of 113 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,569 making the Web page, the concept and 114 00:04:34,570 --> 00:04:36,849 the structure I put in front, 115 00:04:36,850 --> 00:04:39,489 I mean, such initiatives 116 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:41,649 as neocon's dot org 117 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:43,779 as still the club 118 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:45,879 and as superglued the 119 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,979 projects that motivate to 120 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:50,139 go away from the timeline 121 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:52,209 and to make your own Web pages and 122 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:54,009 to link to the Web pages. 123 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:55,600 I am also somebody who, 124 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:59,019 if you may remember my talk last 125 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:01,119 year, I am somebody who fights 126 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,249 for the right of the users and 127 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:05,469 insists that such category 128 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:07,959 as computer users should exist, 129 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,969 shouldn't disappear from the language, 130 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:12,159 and the user should be educated 131 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,899 about the noble role. 132 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:15,359 And that's why. 133 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:18,339 No, not. That's why. 134 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:20,829 Sorry. I also want to mention that last 135 00:05:20,830 --> 00:05:23,619 year when Julian Assange said 136 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:25,689 assists system administrators of 137 00:05:25,690 --> 00:05:27,759 the world unite, it 138 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,939 was quite an excluding 139 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:33,279 appeal. And this year Applebaum 140 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,409 actually corrected it and said that the 141 00:05:35,410 --> 00:05:37,299 community should unite. 142 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,429 And I think that also this appeal 143 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:41,529 should be extended even 144 00:05:41,530 --> 00:05:43,869 more. And these are computer users 145 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:45,009 who should unite. 146 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:47,259 But for this, computer users, again, 147 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:48,429 should be educated. 148 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:51,129 And remember that using something 149 00:05:51,130 --> 00:05:54,189 it is means active position. 150 00:05:54,190 --> 00:05:56,529 Being computer user means to bring 151 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:58,179 system in action. 152 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:00,609 And this is 153 00:06:00,610 --> 00:06:03,249 something what it had to be reworked. 154 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:05,319 We have to come up, come back 155 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,320 to this. 156 00:06:06,970 --> 00:06:08,620 Thirty years ago, old 157 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:12,229 ideas. 158 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:14,349 Well, and that's why I am sure. 159 00:06:14,350 --> 00:06:16,719 And. You what I'm going through now, 160 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,299 because, well, if we talk about the users 161 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:21,699 and power of the users, we can't 162 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:24,279 skip these pages in the 163 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:26,499 history of the 164 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:28,599 of the Internet, 165 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,789 of the Web and of the computer users. 166 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:32,889 So having now 167 00:06:32,890 --> 00:06:35,229 said that, let me please greet 168 00:06:35,230 --> 00:06:36,899 you properly. 169 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,839 Hello, my honey bandshell. 170 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,279 OK, what you just said now, 171 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,349 it is a trailer for a 172 00:07:42,350 --> 00:07:45,019 longer film, which is called Skywriting, 173 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:47,479 and this film features 174 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,149 the Web pages from the Josaitis 175 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:52,309 archive that uses this well, 176 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:54,439 complain on the top 177 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,770 of it there. 178 00:07:57,260 --> 00:07:59,539 What you see just now here, some 179 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:02,239 of them, the whole the interface 180 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,979 would look like this. 181 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:06,139 So they part of the huge database we 182 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:08,929 have at this moment, and we 183 00:08:08,930 --> 00:08:11,569 are myself and 184 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:14,029 Druggan, especially former computer 185 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:16,309 musician, one part of understanding 186 00:08:16,310 --> 00:08:18,359 thousand band. 187 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,759 He is also a artist. 188 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,829 And he is at this moment the digital 189 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:23,929 conservator in Rhizome, New 190 00:08:23,930 --> 00:08:25,009 York. 191 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:27,439 We put together Josaitis Research 192 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,779 Institute and we make one terabyte 193 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:32,389 of Kilobyte each Brodrick project 194 00:08:33,470 --> 00:08:35,569 keep it alive. 195 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:36,649 We have a stamp 196 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,788 and all this. 197 00:08:40,789 --> 00:08:43,759 And I should say now this is a bit 198 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,470 like the end of the story 199 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,709 because it is what it is, 2014. 200 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:53,779 And when 201 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:56,269 I started, I would like now to go 202 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:58,429 a bit back in time 203 00:08:58,430 --> 00:09:00,619 to go to nineteen ninety five 204 00:09:00,620 --> 00:09:02,599 when I started to work with the World 205 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,759 Wide Web and it looked 206 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:05,760 like this. 207 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:10,440 All right, that's. 208 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:17,019 This is also a 209 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,480 snapshot from that time. 210 00:09:22,180 --> 00:09:24,939 Yeah, and I started to make things 211 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:27,039 at the time that I wanted to look quite 212 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,319 different from this bright lower than 213 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,509 the dynamic in another sense 214 00:09:31,510 --> 00:09:33,949 of the world, what 215 00:09:33,950 --> 00:09:35,679 World Wide Web. 216 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,799 So I created the projects that 217 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,959 were different and it 218 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,329 was already the end of the nineties 219 00:09:43,330 --> 00:09:45,579 or let's say, yeah, 220 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:46,869 it was the end of the nineties when I 221 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:48,939 started to teach Internet design 222 00:09:48,940 --> 00:09:50,139 and network. 223 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:52,239 And this was when 224 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,729 I realized that actually pages 225 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:55,959 that I was 226 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,349 trying to forget in my work 227 00:09:59,350 --> 00:10:01,329 that I try to distance from that from 228 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:02,379 what I wanted to be different. 229 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:04,899 They just disappear from them 230 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:06,369 from the Web. 231 00:10:06,370 --> 00:10:08,259 It was around 2000 when it became 232 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:09,969 completely clear that the amateur 233 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:12,489 culture, the culture of the web 234 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:14,829 is removed 235 00:10:14,830 --> 00:10:17,229 now from the from the Web. 236 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:19,849 And since that time 237 00:10:19,850 --> 00:10:23,139 is that that's the way to make works 238 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:25,839 that are actually celebrating 239 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,669 this early Web culture. 240 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:30,849 Just some examples. 241 00:10:30,850 --> 00:10:32,920 But to show this one, I have to go to the 242 00:10:34,180 --> 00:10:36,339 virtual machine, to windows 243 00:10:36,340 --> 00:10:37,480 and even to start 244 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:40,539 leaving to start an explorer. 245 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:46,029 This work is from 2004 246 00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:48,969 and it's only made from the font 247 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:49,970 gives. 248 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,809 Gifts from the three collections 249 00:10:52,810 --> 00:10:53,810 of gifts. 250 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:57,559 And there would be more and more 251 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:58,560 revealed. 252 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:01,879 And another important thing at 253 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:02,880 that time. 254 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:06,510 It was 255 00:11:07,610 --> 00:11:10,369 for Dragon and me was 256 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:13,009 that it is this work is for the Broza 257 00:11:13,010 --> 00:11:14,899 and it also not celebrates and you make 258 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:16,999 it easy, but celebrates Beroza 259 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,679 and the scrollbar. 260 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,909 You know, it's 2004. 261 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:26,179 But the war is the war on scrollbar 262 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:27,799 ologist started at the time. 263 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:30,370 Now it's almost the end. 264 00:11:33,390 --> 00:11:35,190 But we still sometimes can see. 265 00:11:39,420 --> 00:11:41,579 Now I have to wait for the 266 00:11:41,580 --> 00:11:43,329 right with the world. 267 00:11:43,330 --> 00:11:44,929 The book is called Gravity. 268 00:11:57,220 --> 00:11:59,139 Yes, now I can close the show 269 00:12:01,330 --> 00:12:02,700 and come back to my sister. 270 00:12:07,210 --> 00:12:09,369 Another another work from the same time, 271 00:12:09,370 --> 00:12:10,959 which goes in the same direction, is 272 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,269 called midnight, and there 273 00:12:13,270 --> 00:12:15,639 we wanted to bring back 274 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,709 the navigation elements from the 275 00:12:17,710 --> 00:12:19,959 earlier ship that were at this moment 276 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,299 substituted by one 277 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:23,320 omnipresent 278 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:27,759 slide bar, which we know from Google 279 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,799 Maps. It's, again, almost 10 years old 280 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,929 project. So at that time, 281 00:12:31,930 --> 00:12:33,519 Slide Bar looked like this. 282 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,799 So you can't really it's 283 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,089 not functional. 284 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:39,309 But when you start when 285 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:41,829 you start to use it, you review all these 286 00:12:41,830 --> 00:12:43,959 tiny graphics that 287 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,519 early Web users 288 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:49,419 created, stole, 289 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:51,579 found, whatever, because 290 00:12:51,580 --> 00:12:53,709 they did not they didn't like what 291 00:12:53,710 --> 00:12:56,019 interface designers were providing. 292 00:12:56,020 --> 00:12:58,419 They did not believe in the back 293 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:01,449 and forward buttons of the browser. 294 00:13:01,450 --> 00:13:03,999 And they wanted to have their own 295 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,369 structure of their 296 00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:08,919 their own navigation, let's put it 297 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:09,920 like this. 298 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:15,399 Yeah. So after many, 299 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,649 many years of appropriating and 300 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:19,899 bringing to them in 301 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:22,299 front the earlier Web culture, I 302 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:24,729 decided to become a gift model 303 00:13:24,730 --> 00:13:25,719 myself. 304 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,789 So I wanted to give back 305 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:30,099 to the community 306 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,739 I wanted. It's 2005. 307 00:13:32,740 --> 00:13:34,869 And I wanted I wanted to be 308 00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:37,359 used on the Web pages believing 309 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,189 that people were still making the Web 310 00:13:39,190 --> 00:13:40,089 pages. 311 00:13:40,090 --> 00:13:42,099 This is this small window here, my 312 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:44,289 showroom of the time. 313 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:46,749 So I showed to you here that 314 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,999 I am a perfect loop and 315 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,039 that I will look good on every 316 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:51,909 background. 317 00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:54,489 Yeah. So use me on the 318 00:13:54,490 --> 00:13:55,539 Web pages. 319 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:56,540 And this is. 320 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:06,969 This I have this 321 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:09,039 a lot of my needs look amended 322 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,649 and there is a YouTube 323 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:14,049 channel here where I document 324 00:14:14,050 --> 00:14:16,149 where I finally found myself on what 325 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:18,609 pages I was used, 326 00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:20,709 and it's very 327 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:21,710 satisfying. 328 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,729 Yeah, this is hour. 329 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:26,979 And if we talk about the history, please 330 00:14:26,980 --> 00:14:29,289 remember that this is what what animated 331 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:31,449 gif is. It is used not to be posted 332 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:33,640 somewhere. It's not to be 333 00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:36,939 to make a 334 00:14:36,940 --> 00:14:39,339 loop of your favorite film. 335 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:41,709 The role was to be to appear 336 00:14:41,710 --> 00:14:42,939 on another webpage. 337 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:45,009 And when you would make your own 338 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,499 give, you would make it 339 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,749 in a way that others would be 340 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:51,730 able to use it for 341 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:55,210 just a moment if you were still by 342 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:02,759 this connection. 343 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,939 Yeah, I will go here. 344 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:07,749 Sure. 345 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:08,750 This is where 346 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:12,399 all my projects could be found. 347 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,649 And yeah, I'm 348 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:16,929 making the timelines also for animated 349 00:15:16,930 --> 00:15:17,499 GIFs. 350 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:19,569 So they're following the 351 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:22,119 history. And this may be an 352 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,279 anybody here ever used this lady 353 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,419 on their Web page. 354 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:27,069 She's a bit strange. 355 00:15:27,070 --> 00:15:29,199 This you can't really move legs like 356 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,659 this, but maybe 357 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:33,609 this was the reason why it was used on 358 00:15:33,610 --> 00:15:35,979 so, so many Web pages around 359 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:37,059 96. 360 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:39,129 And then here, what we have here 361 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:41,469 is the next period 362 00:15:41,470 --> 00:15:44,529 in the history. It's around 2004, 2006. 363 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:46,809 Then Geeves became much, much 364 00:15:46,810 --> 00:15:49,449 bigger, glittering and static. 365 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:50,859 This was the main thing. 366 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:53,049 Yeah. And this all the MySpace stuff. 367 00:15:53,050 --> 00:15:54,519 This is the period. 368 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,889 Then GIFs start 369 00:15:56,890 --> 00:15:58,749 new wave of the interest. 370 00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:01,359 They were very esthetically pleasing, 371 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,579 perfect loops at that moment. 372 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:05,769 But it would never be transparency 373 00:16:05,770 --> 00:16:08,049 because it would be it's at this time, 374 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:10,479 it's already about just showing 375 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,919 gifts to each other, not using them. 376 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,719 And the Web pages. 377 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,419 And this is very 378 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:19,069 specific for today's moment 379 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:21,999 that they give, which has this 380 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 moment of 381 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:26,349 it's not perfect loop. 382 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:28,359 Yeah, it starts again and again. 383 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,329 And on one hand, maybe it comes from 384 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:33,039 not actually the idea that it doesn't 385 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,899 matter at this moment. It's just a trend 386 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:36,389 at this particular time. 387 00:16:36,390 --> 00:16:38,889 But there is also an alternative history 388 00:16:38,890 --> 00:16:40,899 I can show to here. 389 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,029 This is my idol. 390 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:44,949 Maybe I know her. And this is again, this 391 00:16:44,950 --> 00:16:46,509 is around 2004. 392 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:48,129 This is Heaven. 393 00:16:48,130 --> 00:16:50,359 Your favorite film is 394 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,759 film moments. 395 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,929 Loopt Yeah. 396 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:55,179 And this is something what we have 397 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:57,019 now is something important. 398 00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:59,260 So so-called gifts with sound. 399 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:04,169 I read everything. 400 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:05,129 What they do is, of course, very 401 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:07,318 subjective, so you can make your own 402 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,818 timelines, but you can also 403 00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:11,400 spread my. 404 00:17:17,859 --> 00:17:20,439 So I will continue to 405 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,059 show the to you saw what was happening 406 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:24,789 before one terabyte project, this is 407 00:17:24,790 --> 00:17:27,039 our effort to recreate 408 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,289 Facebook, Google Plus and 409 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:31,390 YouTube as if they were made in 410 00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:34,009 2000 in. 411 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,539 As if they were made in 1997 412 00:17:44,540 --> 00:17:48,049 and not in 2004. 413 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:49,819 This is YouTube. 414 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:51,979 There is also Pinterest. 415 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:54,139 And yeah, so it 416 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:56,389 was you know, now I say 417 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:58,879 exactly about 1997, 418 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,009 because it's important for me to 419 00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:02,959 also to emphasize that right now that we 420 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,059 can't just talk about the 90s 421 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:07,609 as some Web style. 422 00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:09,679 Every year, almost every half a year, 423 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,689 there was something different happening. 424 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:14,149 And for example, 1997 disappearance 425 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:16,339 of Netscape communicator. 426 00:18:16,340 --> 00:18:18,529 And this is when you could say 427 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:20,329 this was already the beginning of 428 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:22,249 something, what would end up as social 429 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:24,379 networks and 430 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:26,629 such hosting services. 431 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:28,279 So Web as 432 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,759 for applications, not for the 433 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Web pages. 434 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:34,970 Yeah. And 435 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:38,399 talking about the styles when they showed 436 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,219 the screenshots like this. 437 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:42,349 Yeah. This 438 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:43,350 like that. 439 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:46,559 Something like this, again, 440 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,339 here, you would say, yeah, 441 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:53,009 exactly, this is the classic appearance 442 00:18:53,010 --> 00:18:55,079 of the web of the 90s, but here I 443 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,760 want to confront you with my 444 00:18:58,620 --> 00:19:01,139 with my timeline of the 445 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:03,299 design styles of the time and 446 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:05,519 to tell you that usually we only 447 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,679 see this vernacular VEP 448 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,169 as a dominant style or for 449 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:12,569 that time and forget about something, 450 00:19:12,570 --> 00:19:14,729 what I called prov doctor that 451 00:19:14,730 --> 00:19:17,169 was before this crazy amateur 452 00:19:17,170 --> 00:19:19,319 before something what was called 453 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,539 Jurisich is 96 after 454 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,389 in design circles and also 455 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,999 the designers period 456 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,309 that started in 1997, the first 457 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:31,440 attempts and this product, 458 00:19:33,570 --> 00:19:35,489 it is an important phenomena. 459 00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:36,569 So it's this. 460 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:39,059 In 1993, the first Web browser 461 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:41,069 browsers its mosaic. 462 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:43,229 And these are pages that 463 00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:46,079 were made usually at the universities. 464 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,299 And this prov doctor saying 465 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:50,999 this is it comes from. 466 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,159 It was my trick to show 467 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,539 it to the students. 468 00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:56,729 Also, around 10 years ago, this 469 00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:57,689 trick worked. 470 00:19:57,690 --> 00:20:00,009 If I would type in search engine for 471 00:20:00,010 --> 00:20:02,219 doctor, it would deliver to me 472 00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:04,379 many pages that were made 473 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:06,749 around 93 or that still 474 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:09,179 look like in 1993. 475 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:11,499 Yeah, because it's very difficult to 476 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:12,599 to catch this content. 477 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,849 And it's also it's time before 478 00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:18,239 Wayback Machine, before Internet Archive. 479 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,429 Now it's just it's very actual 480 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:21,529 page. 481 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:23,609 It's my favorite product just 482 00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:25,719 shown in the Mosaic 483 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,720 browser. 484 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,239 The important thing about this period, 485 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,119 also the attitude to the design, 486 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,549 the idea that it's not me 487 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:37,769 who is designing the Web page for 488 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:39,839 everybody else, but it 489 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,449 is me who is just providing 490 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:44,339 everything as a default. 491 00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:46,529 And I then as end 492 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:49,019 user, I decide how all the Internet 493 00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:50,969 should look for me. So I decide what is 494 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:53,339 my colors, what everything. 495 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:55,649 What is the color of the text, 496 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:57,029 what color of the background. 497 00:20:58,170 --> 00:21:00,389 So these are some pages 498 00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:02,489 that follow this product or 499 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:05,039 style. And these are also 500 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,469 pages of a pair of doctors. 501 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:09,119 And this is this look. 502 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,859 Yeah, this is the classic look. 503 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:13,379 And then the war started. 504 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:15,329 You can also see how things were 505 00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:16,829 developing. 506 00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:18,899 You see, here is the background. 507 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:20,219 Edit Yeah. 508 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,399 So one step away from 509 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,919 semantics, from the mark up style 510 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,409 to the wildness 511 00:21:28,410 --> 00:21:30,989 that then in the end 512 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:33,479 brings us to the 513 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,939 situation that also astrophysics 514 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:38,379 start to make pages like this 515 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:40,469 here and then this amateur vernacular 516 00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:42,419 web starts to form. 517 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:44,219 And then we don't have to follow any more 518 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,499 pages of academics, but 519 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,049 we can go back to Josaitis 520 00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:51,419 and enjoy 521 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:52,259 it there. 522 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:53,789 So this week after 523 00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:56,790 1996. 524 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:00,820 Yeah. 525 00:22:02,410 --> 00:22:03,760 Well, of because 526 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:09,369 what's important to remember about Jersey 527 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:12,129 is when we talk about it, that 528 00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:14,259 it was a place where you would you were 529 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:16,389 not supposed to go, actually. 530 00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:19,030 And at that time, I also 531 00:22:20,050 --> 00:22:21,669 if somebody would send me a link to 532 00:22:21,670 --> 00:22:24,099 generosities, I would not dare to 533 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,259 to to it here because it was 534 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:28,419 supposed that there is nothing valuable 535 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:29,469 there at all. 536 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:32,019 And they have all these books about 537 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:34,349 web design tips 538 00:22:34,350 --> 00:22:36,039 of that time. 539 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,229 And imagine none of this 540 00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:40,929 books uses Josaitis 541 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:43,209 even as a bad example. 542 00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:44,799 Now there is only one 543 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,189 once it appears in Web pages 544 00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:50,799 that suck, of course, may be enough. 545 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,409 But imagine only one example 546 00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:55,749 from the procedures, although today 547 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:57,939 we see this as a leak, 548 00:22:57,940 --> 00:22:59,379 as an essence of everything. 549 00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:01,899 What could go wrong 550 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,629 with the Web design? 551 00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:06,639 So it's a very special place. 552 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,739 But to show you the history, 553 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:10,900 it was founded in 1995. 554 00:23:12,510 --> 00:23:15,549 In 1994, it became usable 555 00:23:15,550 --> 00:23:17,949 and very popular around 556 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:19,809 95, 96. 557 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:20,709 Yahoo! 558 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:22,989 Bought it in 1999 in 559 00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:25,569 the moment that when it was the third 560 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:27,909 most visited Web page 561 00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:29,979 on the web after 562 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:31,359 AOL and Yahoo! 563 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,999 Itself and in 564 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,679 2009, Yahoo! 565 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,659 Killed procedures. 566 00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:39,939 The screenshot what you see here now, it 567 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:41,919 comes from 1999. 568 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,019 It's when Yahoo! But this is 569 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:45,399 half a year later. 570 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,409 Then Yahoo! Introduced their terms of 571 00:23:47,410 --> 00:23:49,719 services and then finally users 572 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,999 noticed that things changed. 573 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,159 And there was this paragraph 574 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,209 eight there. Yahoo! 575 00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:57,519 Said that all all your pictures belong 576 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,689 to us. 577 00:23:58,690 --> 00:23:59,919 Yeah. And there was a 578 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,189 there was a lot of angry pages 579 00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:05,440 and a lot of people left at that moment. 580 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:09,309 So in 2009, 581 00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:11,499 Yahoo! Closed Josaitis because it sold 582 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:12,819 in 2009. 583 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:16,029 Almost everybody is on Facebook 584 00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:17,919 and Yahoo! 585 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,989 Didn't know what to do with this at 586 00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:23,119 all. And then archive team 587 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,089 made a great effort. 588 00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:27,189 And in this half a year, what 589 00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:29,379 Yahoo! Give to the users to rescue their 590 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:31,629 files, archive team 591 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:33,789 actually grabbed as much 592 00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:37,029 as possible of them generosities, 593 00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:38,440 and they 594 00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:41,829 released it as a torrent, one 595 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:43,059 terabyte torrent. 596 00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:45,039 That's why our project is called One 597 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,109 Terabyte of Kilobyte each on 598 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:50,409 the thirty first of October 2010. 599 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:52,509 So one year later, when it was made, we 600 00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:54,459 started to download it. 601 00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:56,379 It took us several months, of course, to 602 00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:58,389 download it because there was only one 603 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:00,010 Seada and that is 604 00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:02,380 one terabyte. 605 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,789 Then there were months 606 00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:08,899 of rebuilding the 607 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:09,849 city. 608 00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:11,739 But those cities, the neighborhoods, 609 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:13,989 because all this a one terabyte, 610 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,149 it was not just Jocie just sketched 611 00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:18,399 and now you can open all this and enjoy 612 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,469 it, but these were tires made 613 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:21,879 by many, many different people. 614 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,619 You had to put them together. 615 00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:26,499 You have to fight them sibling 616 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,569 cancer. You have to 617 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,759 also deal with a 618 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,069 lot of problems 619 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:34,719 with uppercase, lowercase. 620 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,799 So in the end, 621 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,589 it's, of course, an effort of 622 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:40,779 dragon mostly. 623 00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:42,999 In the end, we got now 624 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,579 395 profiles 625 00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:47,409 of the early web pages. 626 00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:49,539 Nobody knows about 627 00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:51,609 how much is it of the of what 628 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:53,019 was actually there 629 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:55,569 ever? 630 00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:57,639 Yeah, there is no statistics 631 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,569 and Yahoo! 632 00:25:58,570 --> 00:26:00,939 Has no idea about 633 00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:02,139 anything, of course. 634 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,269 So apart from 635 00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:06,819 just having this screenshots 636 00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:09,069 at our archive, there 637 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,489 is a beautiful or how Dragon 638 00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:13,329 calls it the amazing Jurisich. 639 00:26:13,330 --> 00:26:14,680 Just screenshot factory 640 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:19,119 will not explain 641 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,339 to you now how it works, but you already 642 00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:23,619 have seen what comes in the end. 643 00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:26,079 Yeah, there is a snapshot 644 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,269 of the Web page that appears 645 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:29,320 in the browser 646 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:32,349 that is adequate for that particular 647 00:26:32,350 --> 00:26:33,350 moment of time. 648 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,789 There is then there's then screenshots 649 00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:39,009 because we want to feed the Internet 650 00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:41,409 with its history as much 651 00:26:41,410 --> 00:26:42,369 as possible. 652 00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:43,720 It comes to Tumblr 653 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:47,079 every twenty minutes. 654 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,329 There is a new screenshot from 655 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:50,859 our archive. 656 00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,919 So they are now at this moment, 657 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,780 everybody can enjoy it. 658 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,129 What we yeah, 659 00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:03,229 but screenshots are only screenshots, of 660 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:05,389 course, that it is an amazing a very rich 661 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:07,459 content. But you can imagine when 662 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,779 you look at this page, something is 663 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:09,780 missing. Of course. 664 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,879 In fact, it should look like this, but 665 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,979 to make a video snapshot of the 666 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:19,019 page, it's completely different. 667 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,359 It's a different size of the file. 668 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,639 It's much longer 669 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,959 than you need for this. 670 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,269 So the tumbler is at this moment 671 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,489 is fitted only with the screenshots, 672 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:31,839 with the static screenshots we have 673 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,109 for still material 674 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:36,449 for 12 more years 675 00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:38,009 to fit the tumbler. 676 00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:40,229 But as you may already know, 677 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:41,939 Yahoo! Bought Tumblr. 678 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:42,940 Yeah. 679 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,279 I don't we don't know 680 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,409 how much time we still have 681 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:56,779 and or what should we maybe 682 00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:58,369 our five teams have already grabbed the 683 00:27:58,370 --> 00:28:00,439 tumbler with everything, whatever we 684 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,869 have for them. 685 00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:04,999 How does this what 686 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,189 does the chronology we started 687 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:08,509 with the last, 688 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:11,839 with the earliest or the with 689 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,209 the oldest updated screenshot. 690 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:16,489 So this one is the first one in 691 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:18,169 our archive. 692 00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:21,559 It only means that this is the last one. 693 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,599 The first one in our archive. 694 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,579 It doesn't he has a lot says a lot about 695 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:27,529 the history. So but from what was 696 00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:30,289 rescued, this page 697 00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:32,479 was the oldest. 698 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,299 So it was updated in 1995, 699 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,519 last updated in 1995. 700 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,189 And this is how we go in 701 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:41,689 further in the history. 702 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:44,119 So at this moment on Tumblr, 703 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,639 we are in August 1999 704 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,359 and it's already dot com. 705 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,719 Yeah. If you remember such 706 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,789 or used such dirty words. 707 00:28:52,790 --> 00:28:55,169 But interesting things that, by 708 00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:57,139 the way, with Jose is that you can see 709 00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:59,689 how time sort of 710 00:28:59,690 --> 00:29:01,129 was frozen there. 711 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:03,139 Yeah, it's 99, but it is. 712 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:04,489 It's always 96. 713 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:06,889 This is the amazing thing about 714 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:09,259 it. But this screenshot is from 715 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:11,849 nineteen ninety five 716 00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:13,939 and here I can for 717 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:15,709 the first time maybe mention this. 718 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:17,749 What was in the subtitle of my talk. 719 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:20,419 You see that this page is made for 720 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:22,789 something different is 800 721 00:29:22,790 --> 00:29:24,109 to 600 were made. 722 00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:25,849 At this moment we make screenshots for 723 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:27,439 eight hundred six hundred. 724 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,929 But this one is obviously for 725 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:32,510 640 to 480 726 00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:36,559 just because of the size of the lines. 727 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,239 What else do we know here? 728 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,579 What are the historical 729 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:42,410 important moments that Kelvyn 730 00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:45,229 picture of Gelvin? 731 00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:47,329 You know, when you look at the Jurisich, 732 00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:49,399 as you can think that it was filled 733 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,039 with defense of Calvin and Hobbes, 734 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,259 but it's not really like this. 735 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,510 The thing is that Josaitis provided 736 00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:59,259 the clipart. 737 00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:01,369 There were a lot of flags that you were 738 00:30:01,370 --> 00:30:02,569 supposed to use on this 739 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:06,349 place to represent particular country, 740 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:08,089 Germany, Russia, whatever. 741 00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:10,489 And there was Spock from Star 742 00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:13,399 Trek and there was Kelvyn. 743 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,649 Yeah. So if you didn't 744 00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:17,719 if you can scan your 745 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,879 own picture yet, you would probably 746 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,099 use the Kelvyn. 747 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,379 But it is a very early Web pages, 748 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:26,839 but still there is a mess 749 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,719 of elements in the Generosities 750 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,829 archive. 751 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:32,599 Yeah, another background. 752 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,699 But you see here, here and the 753 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,799 structure is still 754 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,759 there. 755 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,009 What is quite a touching moment 756 00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:41,989 I would say here, what I was mentioning 757 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:44,939 before, this comes from the template 758 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:47,659 links to the other sites on the Web. 759 00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:49,339 It was there from the very beginning. 760 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:51,019 It's sort of of course, you could remove 761 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,449 it, but it also you were motivated 762 00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:54,619 to fill it out. 763 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,689 So Web page without links 764 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:59,089 to other pages, it's sort 765 00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:01,309 of a useless 766 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:02,310 thing 767 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,440 be. 768 00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:08,439 No, wait a moment. 769 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,509 Yeah, what I wanted to say 770 00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:12,729 here again, the speech, maybe it's not 771 00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:15,849 so clear, but it's again, it's made for 772 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:17,469 640. 773 00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:19,689 And what was 774 00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:21,789 significant for the time, you 775 00:31:21,790 --> 00:31:24,009 could see a lot that people were 776 00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:26,889 still talking about the cyberspace, 777 00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:28,249 not about not so much. 778 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:29,829 Welcome to my Web page. 779 00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:32,229 Not welcome to my electronic office, 780 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:34,389 but welcome to my corner of 781 00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:37,059 cyberspace. A welcome to my CYBERCOM. 782 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:39,279 They're worth ninety four point 783 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,109 ninety five. There's a still time that 784 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:43,479 people refer to this place 785 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,729 as place somewhere else and they make 786 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:47,999 it for six hundred forty 787 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,359 hour without 788 00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:51,999 giving other opportunities. 789 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,769 This is already from later. 790 00:31:53,770 --> 00:31:55,959 Yeah. This choices that 791 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,119 designers had to make and users had 792 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,709 to make for themselves. 793 00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:01,869 Or here you can even 794 00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:03,309 more later. 795 00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:04,310 But. 796 00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:06,890 And screens are getting 797 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,519 bigger and there is this choice, but it 798 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,559 was not there at that moment. 799 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,829 But what you get see, yeah, this is 800 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:17,749 now where you can see it in a classic 801 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:20,359 way, right? This is 640. 802 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,739 And this is what we see now. 803 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:25,959 And when I open this page now on my 804 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,419 screen, I see the gentlemen 805 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:30,249 like an infinity 806 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,269 of the gentlemen in outer space 807 00:32:34,270 --> 00:32:35,670 or hear hands. 808 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:39,039 Yeah, maybe you can see it here. 809 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,089 But it's the same. 810 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:41,090 It is the 811 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,249 picture that didn't have to be that. 812 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:46,509 Yeah. 813 00:32:46,510 --> 00:32:48,969 The known motive, but also it's adjusted 814 00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:50,859 for six hundred forty. 815 00:32:50,860 --> 00:32:52,509 This one is very beautiful. 816 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:54,699 All the cockpit 817 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,159 to fly with this web page to the 818 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,799 cyberspace is built here. 819 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,999 Look look terrible. 820 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,399 Already around 96 821 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,809 or not terrible but maybe. 822 00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:06,969 Yeah maybe. In fact that's how it 823 00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:08,139 hit the ground. 824 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,359 But the original plan was it it's 825 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,360 like this 826 00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:14,439 mean the sound is of course in the 827 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,639 background. 828 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,889 That's why I make with my mobile 829 00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:20,229 phone, I make the videos of this 830 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:22,419 website and there is my channel 831 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:23,589 on. Right. 832 00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:26,019 So you can enjoy 833 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,209 it there as well. 834 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:31,509 Yeah. 835 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:33,759 And I just think 836 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,829 that this what is 837 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:37,929 here, maybe you can sit here 838 00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:40,039 alongside the visitor said 839 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,379 that so. 840 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:42,999 And this is yeah. This is still the time 841 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,279 that you refer to cyberspace and 842 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,409 this is actually not because 843 00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:49,029 you are Newbon. You don't know how 844 00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:51,129 cyberspace looks, but because it's in 845 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:52,359 cyberspace. 846 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,699 Got its look for everybody. 847 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,949 And this look was Starnberg 848 00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:59,409 outerspace background with 849 00:33:59,410 --> 00:34:01,449 underlined words on it. 850 00:34:01,450 --> 00:34:03,609 If it's Netscape, these words were in 851 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,109 blue. Yeah. 852 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:06,189 And this was the. 853 00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:07,190 Yeah. 854 00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:10,089 When John Perry Barlow was right and 855 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:11,769 his Declaration of Independence of 856 00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:14,319 cyberspace, the cyberspace 857 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,399 looked like this. 858 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,198 And this is important to remember. 859 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,658 Yeah. Such things not to 860 00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:20,659 underestimate 861 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,799 till this time I almost on the show to 862 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,649 you the screenshot in the Netscape 863 00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:28,928 and it was 864 00:34:28,929 --> 00:34:31,029 a difficult moment for us earlier 865 00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:33,609 this year when we had to switch 866 00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:35,099 to Explorer. 867 00:34:37,130 --> 00:34:39,879 Oh because it was 868 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,309 yeah. Netscape is of course, was more 869 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:44,799 you know, it was more attracting 870 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,928 more attention. 871 00:34:46,929 --> 00:34:49,269 And it looked like really like the past 872 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:51,339 year because Explorer year here, it looks 873 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,589 like an old explorer, but everybody knows 874 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:54,698 that it's still there. 875 00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,859 It is an actual 876 00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:00,069 thing. But Netscape was 877 00:35:00,070 --> 00:35:02,289 very pleasant to look at, but we could 878 00:35:02,290 --> 00:35:04,869 not ignore any more that in 1999 879 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,629 actually there was almost no Netscape. 880 00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,459 And with the pager what they should do 881 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:11,739 now. This is the first 882 00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:13,899 of the Web page that 883 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,059 was last updated on 18th of 884 00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:18,039 March 1999. 885 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,079 That's why it's the day of release of 886 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,519 Explorer five. 887 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,939 And this is when we changed. 888 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:27,609 And now stream 889 00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:30,009 screenshots in 890 00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:31,809 Explorer, unfortunately. 891 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:34,269 But in the archive, you can always 892 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:36,429 see in both, by the 893 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:38,229 way, about archive, I didn't mention 894 00:35:39,310 --> 00:35:40,359 this is what I see. 895 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,289 I use them. 896 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:43,599 One terabyte is my 897 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,969 interface to the archive, 898 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:48,340 though. If I would go now with 899 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,529 with Chrome. 900 00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:55,699 So here I don't have an add-on here 901 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:56,919 I don't have proxy. 902 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,420 I would see what you see. 903 00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:03,099 And here I 904 00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,499 have to see this actual page. 905 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,760 Yeah, four major cities is up. 906 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:12,239 I have I go online 907 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,289 to go offline. 908 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,879 I can there is something 909 00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:22,969 that can be of interest for you. 910 00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:25,099 There are also copies, but they 911 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,289 are not as full as ours. 912 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:29,349 You can access through our 913 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:32,719 there is also always the URL. 914 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,969 So you get when you know the URL you can 915 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:35,989 go to. 916 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:37,249 You can check this. 917 00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:39,529 You are on generosities on all the cities 918 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:41,809 and cities as 919 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:44,959 you have. They also have copies not so, 920 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,179 not so structured as ours. 921 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:48,349 And a lot of things are missing. 922 00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:50,779 But still this is where you can 923 00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:52,669 see a lot of the bust. 924 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:54,499 There was something about finally here 925 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:56,749 about this 926 00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:58,669 elements. What I wanted to show to make a 927 00:36:58,670 --> 00:37:00,199 bridge from here. 928 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,340 Maybe anybody 929 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,639 used in this room ever used this bar 930 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,989 in the Web page? 931 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:07,250 Somebody ever seen it? 932 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:09,500 It is sort of 933 00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:13,750 show to some pages. 934 00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:17,269 I think 935 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:19,729 this page was in our archive 936 00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:22,789 nightmare after this page, 937 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:26,059 because it is also my personal nightmare. 938 00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:28,339 They are all they are all the ruins 939 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:29,779 for this Web pages. 940 00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:32,089 And they come from the certain period 941 00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:34,339 from 1997. 942 00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:36,649 And this is when Intel tried to make 943 00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:38,689 the template for making Web pages. 944 00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:40,999 They tried to make the site builder and 945 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,069 they introduced these crazy 946 00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:45,219 elements, these bars and 947 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:47,409 drippin them what 948 00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:48,920 it's called. Bazargan 949 00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:52,819 Yeah. And people were trying 950 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:55,249 to make something out of it, but it 951 00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:56,359 never worked. 952 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,619 And then was already Yahoo! 953 00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:59,239 And Yahoo! Introduced their own site 954 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,070 builder. And this is how it 955 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:03,379 all. 956 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:06,019 Yeah. So when I go to the archive, 957 00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:07,400 I can also 958 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,699 see the elements 959 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,859 like this stuff, but you probably 960 00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:15,259 know they're welcome skulled 961 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:18,509 used on so many welcome pages 962 00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:21,229 them to invite you to enter. 963 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:23,389 So it's also possible in the archive it's 964 00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:25,609 possible not only to take pages, but 965 00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:27,530 to take elements of the pages. 966 00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:31,559 A lot of beautiful 967 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,260 stuff, it's really overwhelming. 968 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:37,589 This is, by the way, here what 969 00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:39,959 you see now. It is the most used 970 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,509 graphic on Josaitis. 971 00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:44,279 Maybe I would better have to announce it 972 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,349 on Valentine's Day. 973 00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:48,509 Yeah, but I 974 00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:49,769 just said it now. 975 00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:52,559 So after after the counter 976 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,539 and after the logo of Jose, just this is 977 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:56,339 the most used graphic. 978 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:58,409 In fact, this is not so important for 979 00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:59,939 us, this statistics. 980 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:02,219 And we are very careful 981 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:04,409 with not to go with the 982 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:06,539 big data approach to 983 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:08,609 all this and try to 984 00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:10,709 make everything with our own eyes. 985 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:13,049 Sometimes I'm happy to be able 986 00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:14,459 to involve my students. 987 00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:16,169 For example, this is our opinion 988 00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:18,599 research, what we just finished 989 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,799 there. 990 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,109 It's not such a famous graphic, but there 991 00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:24,479 are almost 800 of them 992 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,579 on the generosities 993 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:28,649 here is with all his 994 00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:29,849 glory. 995 00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:32,069 And the great thing about 996 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,139 this graphic is that it was always 997 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:36,209 used in connection with another graphic. 998 00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:38,549 So this is how people were showing 999 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:40,799 the disagreement or disgust about 1000 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,889 something or somebody 1001 00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:46,319 and yeah, sort of a dislike 1002 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,239 button. You can also see 1003 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,929 we and finally we could find 1004 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:53,999 out all this. 1005 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279 We have more than 700 results 1006 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,499 of what users were paying 1007 00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,309 on. Yeah. 1008 00:39:59,310 --> 00:40:00,999 What did they hate? 1009 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000 And 1010 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:04,589 yet they're politicians. 1011 00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:07,079 They're handsome. Of course, 1012 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,329 there are a lot of sports 1013 00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:11,099 teams and sports symbolics. 1014 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,289 Surprisingly, I would have 1015 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:14,909 thought that it would be Josaitis that 1016 00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:17,369 would be the most people 1017 00:40:18,570 --> 00:40:20,249 on the thing. 1018 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:21,869 But it is for. 1019 00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:24,239 Yeah, whatever 1020 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,679 you can. Yeah. There is not one 1021 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,689 installation we built out of it. 1022 00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:29,879 We made him prominent 1023 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,819 and put all this on the monitor here 1024 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:34,949 and it can be. 1025 00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:36,419 Yeah, very relief. 1026 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:38,819 And in the end 1027 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,049 of the day to Yeah. 1028 00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:44,459 To hit, to get another role 1029 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,789 as the researcher 1030 00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:49,859 come in now much closer 1031 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:51,539 to the end I would like to say. 1032 00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,129 Yeah. What else we're looking for. 1033 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:54,419 Yeah. What images 1034 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,049 or particular images were used for. 1035 00:40:58,050 --> 00:41:00,119 What was what 1036 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,189 was attendance is not so much who made 1037 00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:04,709 the image or how often they were used 1038 00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:06,929 and also the elements of 1039 00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:09,119 their the choices 1040 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,759 what would make us had to make 1041 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,129 and the end users had to make. 1042 00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:16,260 For example here there is this 1043 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,919 thing, you know, you see you can decide 1044 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,969 to go hi fi or low fi. 1045 00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:24,119 So not resolution, but a hi fi and 1046 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,099 lo fi and this hi fi. 1047 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:27,959 If there's something for the future. 1048 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,249 Yeah, lo fi. 1049 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,319 There is a contently about this bent, 1050 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,719 but this high fi on the page 1051 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,939 that was last updated in 1996 1052 00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:38,039 means that somebody believes that in 1053 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,749 some weeks maybe that this will be 1054 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:41,909 possible to have videos that you 1055 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:43,979 have to listen to the music and that is 1056 00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:46,589 prepared for it, but nothing happens. 1057 00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:48,589 So this is the choice. 1058 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:50,579 I remember myself even leaving this 1059 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:52,769 choice to something for the future or not 1060 00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:55,169 possible now, but in some weeks, 1061 00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:58,079 another greatest choice, 1062 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,239 what we've all had to make that this 1063 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,429 time and through their frames or no 1064 00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:03,839 frames. 1065 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,999 And there is a culture 1066 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,579 around this and haid graphics and love 1067 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:10,769 graphics and how they 1068 00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:11,819 all appear. 1069 00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:13,979 And if you can see here again now you 1070 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:16,589 have a choice here, the choices 1071 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:18,719 we could make at the time and we gladly 1072 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,819 made something else, what 1073 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:23,009 I am very careful about 1074 00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:25,289 and try 1075 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:27,179 to make something meaningful out of it. 1076 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:29,699 Other messages where people promise 1077 00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:31,979 that soon there will be something. 1078 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:34,649 It is quite you know, it's a little bit 1079 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:36,719 or very difficult thing because you know 1080 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,549 that these are that pages. 1081 00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:40,709 But you all the time get still 1082 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:43,079 now in 99, you get this promise, 1083 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,179 just wait for two weeks or next 1084 00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:47,549 week or as soon as school starts 1085 00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:49,679 or the opposite. Soon school 1086 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,510 will be over and they will have time. 1087 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:55,319 So this sometimes it's 1088 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,779 permanent, both the message, sometimes 1089 00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:00,119 it's more narrative. 1090 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,739 And this is another great thing that 1091 00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:03,269 people really narrate and tell the 1092 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:05,609 stories and explain why they make pages 1093 00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:07,919 and why it's not boutiette and how 1094 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,539 everything will change when they get 1095 00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:10,439 scared. 1096 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,599 And so 1097 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,699 and then at the same time, there is 1098 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:17,009 another wave of messages where people say 1099 00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:19,229 no more, yeah, there will be no 1100 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:20,549 beach. 1101 00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:21,550 And 1102 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,259 this protest, as they 1103 00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:27,479 go in the parallel to each 1104 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,899 other in the. 1105 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:29,900 The direction 1106 00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:33,789 sometimes there is a reason given 1107 00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:35,919 why somebody is not updating the page 1108 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,439 anymore, mostly 1109 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,809 these are very optimistic, 1110 00:43:40,810 --> 00:43:43,149 in fact, pages where people 1111 00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:45,429 say that because we got a new domain, 1112 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:47,609 we got because we got a new location. 1113 00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:48,519 Yeah, we moved. 1114 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,109 There is new new life. 1115 00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:52,329 That's also the tragedy here 1116 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,430 is that it's almost never 1117 00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:57,519 that you would follow this link and there 1118 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,889 would be something they also 1119 00:43:59,890 --> 00:44:01,959 don't exist 1120 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,459 anymore. 1121 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:06,339 Yeah, there are a lot of hate messages 1122 00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:08,469 and at the same time, a lot of 1123 00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:11,060 a lot of 1124 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:14,409 very happy and beginning of the new 1125 00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:16,509 life or somebody is moving to 1126 00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:18,609 Angelfire and thinks that now 1127 00:44:18,610 --> 00:44:20,769 things will now things will be great 1128 00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:23,059 or try. But yeah, of course 1129 00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:24,039 there is. 1130 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,259 They all for not 11 megabytes but 1131 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:27,379 20 megabytes. 1132 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,199 Yeah, I am moving to the right. 1133 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,179 But so things like this, 1134 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,539 there we are at this moment. 1135 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:36,609 We are two people who are mostly doing 1136 00:44:36,610 --> 00:44:37,419 this. 1137 00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:39,699 But finally, we were 1138 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:41,530 also joined by a 1139 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,699 Chinese researcher 1140 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:47,769 of Chinese digital folklore and 1141 00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:50,139 he is now going through the Chinese 1142 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:53,289 web pages. So pages in Chinese language, 1143 00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:54,579 that's important for us. 1144 00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:56,979 We for sure need somebody who would go 1145 00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:59,559 into Spanish and Portuguese 1146 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,149 Web pages. 1147 00:45:01,150 --> 00:45:03,849 We are in general interested to open 1148 00:45:03,850 --> 00:45:06,129 the interface for those who 1149 00:45:06,130 --> 00:45:08,559 want to research, to use this 1150 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,289 content to publish their ideas. 1151 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:13,389 And now, for example, 1152 00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:15,579 a lot of things, a lot of fanpage, 1153 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:17,329 a lot of hate pages. 1154 00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:20,229 There are geneology pages. 1155 00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:22,239 Oh, Clem's. 1156 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,769 Yeah, this is very important for the 1157 00:45:23,770 --> 00:45:25,839 content, which it 1158 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,809 would not be right that the person, 1159 00:45:28,810 --> 00:45:30,999 one person or even two people just go 1160 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,899 through this. 1161 00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:33,969 And for example, we should 1162 00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:35,650 not forget, as 1163 00:45:36,670 --> 00:45:38,859 Jesse Helms wrote in surfing 1164 00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:40,959 on the Internet in 1994, 1165 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,909 actually before Jurisich, is that the net 1166 00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:45,309 is not just a scientific research to 1167 00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:47,409 it's an outlet for gorgeous women 1168 00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,389 trapped in the bodies of male computer 1169 00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:51,489 programmers and want to 1170 00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:53,590 say that Josaitis was really 1171 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:57,129 an outlet 1172 00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:59,319 for crossdressing, especially the 1173 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,379 West Hollywood neighborhood. 1174 00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:05,289 Jose, just about neighborhoods. 1175 00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:07,480 And there are pages 1176 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:10,689 that we 1177 00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:12,519 read, a lot of them quite in a good 1178 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,989 state. 1179 00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:16,179 We think what to do with 1180 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:18,139 them because they have to be analyzed. 1181 00:46:18,140 --> 00:46:20,409 They don't have to be exposed, but 1182 00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:22,269 it should be somebody in them, 1183 00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:25,959 somebody with the experience 1184 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,479 in your culture and also experience 1185 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,969 with early web culture to analyze 1186 00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:33,189 them and to make sense out of it. 1187 00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:35,259 I showed you this page now because if 1188 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,189 you want to scroll down there, you will 1189 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:39,369 see that there is a 1190 00:46:39,370 --> 00:46:41,649 message left on this page to the future 1191 00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:42,549 generation. 1192 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:44,979 So this page was supposed 1193 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,119 to be Shauntay. 1194 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,429 So if you have an ideas how 1195 00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:50,859 you could contribute to 1196 00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:53,049 Josaitis archive to one terabyte 1197 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,119 of kilobyte page research, we 1198 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,340 would be happy to 1199 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,549 to listen to you. 1200 00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:01,550 Thank you very much. 1201 00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:33,829 Yeah, thanks for the talk. 1202 00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:36,239 I thought it was a very interesting 1203 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,909 and very dramatic, so 1204 00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:41,189 and we have plenty of time 1205 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:43,619 for questions and 1206 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:45,690 I already see it as far from the signal 1207 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,619 to have all your are so 1208 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:52,889 aware of pages which are not in these 1209 00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:53,429 archives. 1210 00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:55,619 And did you cooperate with other archive 1211 00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:58,799 efforts to get a most complete set? 1212 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,599 Can you even estimate how many pages are 1213 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,600 missing? 1214 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,199 Uh, no, we can't estimate 1215 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,699 how many pages are missing. 1216 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:09,749 Yeah, no, we can't. 1217 00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,369 There is a there is 1218 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,919 there is a lot of attempt to merge 1219 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,209 them. So it's 1220 00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,519 in the state that I can't see. 1221 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,940 So you can't give a percentage. 1222 00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:26,459 That we can say. But we were very curious 1223 00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:28,259 ourselves, but we didn't find the answer 1224 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:29,260 to this question. 1225 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,989 So next microphone one, please. 1226 00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:35,279 I'm going to need therapy after this. 1227 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,689 And there's a reason for that. 1228 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,719 I had to look up in my old resume. 1229 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,609 I was the chief network engineer for the 1230 00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:44,369 parent company of Geo Cities, 1231 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:47,489 and I spent many 1232 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:49,199 an hour, both originally in Beverly 1233 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,309 Hills, which is why there was a 1234 00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:52,379 connection to to to West Hollywood 1235 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:54,569 and then when they moved to Santa 1236 00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:56,249 Santa Monica. 1237 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:57,539 So I just got a couple of things I'll 1238 00:48:57,540 --> 00:48:58,540 share with you. 1239 00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:01,350 Oh, the systems were horrible. 1240 00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:04,739 So that's 1241 00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:06,989 the first thing to keep in mind, 1242 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:08,159 son, Solaris, 1243 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,879 the first thing I did was put HTP one, 1244 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,239 HPD one up for pettifogging 1245 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,199 web server on there. 1246 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,749 If you can think back to what happened 1247 00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:20,939 before that, to get these 1248 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:23,009 bits out to the rest of the world was 1249 00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:24,119 an absolute fight. 1250 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,259 Josaitis was growing. 1251 00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:28,289 We we were we were Racan stacking some 1252 00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:30,419 suntans then some years and finally 1253 00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:31,709 bigger machines. 1254 00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:34,019 During 96, we blew out 1255 00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,299 100 megs of Fedi connection out 1256 00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:38,429 of Barnett in the Stanford 1257 00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:40,109 University KOLO, which is where the 1258 00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:41,110 servers were. 1259 00:49:42,210 --> 00:49:44,369 And this was just a continuous 1260 00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:46,409 fight. The users were coming in in mid 1261 00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:47,789 96. 1262 00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:49,889 We had to make database changes and 1263 00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:50,890 the like, but. 1264 00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:54,519 I'm blown away by what you've done, and 1265 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,679 I'm so sad that I'm sitting here going, 1266 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,329 I have I mean, I know people to contact, 1267 00:49:58,330 --> 00:50:00,009 but there's no hope that anybody's got an 1268 00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:01,989 archive from back then. 1269 00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:03,369 Nothing. No one. 1270 00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:05,229 I don't think anybody from the founders 1271 00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:07,029 or from the original engineers has got 1272 00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:09,459 like a copy of of original 1273 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:10,689 stuff anymore. 1274 00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:12,699 But you just brought this all back. 1275 00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:14,799 But can you bring us back this 1276 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,159 moment in two in 1999, 1277 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,789 then? Yahoo! 1278 00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:20,859 But no, because this was a 1279 00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:22,539 this was this was I was looking at the 1280 00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:23,949 dates and this is very finite. 1281 00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:25,569 This was 96 for me. 1282 00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:28,539 Only 96 was the best year 1283 00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:29,540 for everybody. 1284 00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:41,209 No next question, please. 1285 00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:43,519 Yes, thank you for your amazing talk 1286 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,319 and your amazing work and please continue 1287 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,819 to do so. 1288 00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:48,739 I was wondering, are you also looking at 1289 00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:50,839 saving all those old bits 1290 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,329 of crappy JavaScript code that 1291 00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:55,519 ran on the back of all these pages in 1292 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,379 order to make Blinkx work and all that 1293 00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:59,629 stuff Richard Stallman 1294 00:50:59,630 --> 00:51:01,679 sent you here to me about? 1295 00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:08,729 Now we are try to grab as 1296 00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:10,049 much as possible. 1297 00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:11,429 I was so shocked when you said 1298 00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:12,809 JavaScript. 1299 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:14,939 So but what was your if if scripts 1300 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,339 are included, those templates. 1301 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:18,989 Yeah. Are you saving them, stacking them 1302 00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:20,699 up? Because I really believe that's part 1303 00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:22,859 of this culture as well, where you try 1304 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:24,989 to make stuff, 1305 00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:27,419 moving or whatever, blinking 1306 00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:29,309 crazy colors. 1307 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:31,499 Oh, there is not so much actually 1308 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,360 made with JavaScript, though. 1309 00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:36,669 Yeah, they're appearing more and more 1310 00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:38,619 things, but this is this is Stort, if it 1311 00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:40,989 was on the Web page, is it is 1312 00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:42,639 Stort or what to you? 1313 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,859 Maybe, maybe you need you need him 1314 00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:46,269 in Java? Probably. 1315 00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:47,679 No, I definitely mean, 1316 00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:50,799 I'm looking back at a time when I and I 1317 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,450 guess a lot of people here started 1318 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,349 learning computer science, basically, 1319 00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:57,939 like you said, the first steps into 1320 00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:00,339 programing. And for me, 1321 00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:02,949 it was because I made his basic website. 1322 00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:04,479 I don't even know where I posted it. 1323 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,429 And step by step, you want more and more. 1324 00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:07,309 And that's how I found out. 1325 00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:09,399 So I was wondering if there's any place 1326 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,500 I could go and look back at the stuff 1327 00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,329 you can you can 1328 00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:18,519 go back, as always to the by 1329 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,439 the Wayback Machine. 1330 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,329 But for this, you have to know where to 1331 00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:24,699 go. This is the trouble with 1332 00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:25,929 Josaitis. 1333 00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:28,359 Yeah, but a lot of this 1334 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,669 bill and the scripts, they are 1335 00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:32,829 there and the sometimes 1336 00:52:32,830 --> 00:52:34,539 I feel something and they show something 1337 00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:36,979 online and it 1338 00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:38,649 and that is actually 1339 00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:41,229 something very advanced. 1340 00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:42,999 One could think that you only can make it 1341 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,799 with each HTML5. 1342 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,989 Yeah. But then it appears that 1343 00:52:46,990 --> 00:52:49,149 if this were just how things 1344 00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:51,339 were made in 96, also with some lines 1345 00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:53,109 of code. 1346 00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:54,110 Thank you. 1347 00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:56,859 So there's another 1348 00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,139 question from the Internet. 1349 00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:01,209 So have you thought about 1350 00:53:01,210 --> 00:53:03,729 the whole right to be forgotten issue 1351 00:53:03,730 --> 00:53:05,409 regarding your archive page? 1352 00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:10,179 Oh, if 1353 00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:11,180 every 1354 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,219 like I look at 72 1355 00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:18,309 minimum and 72 old pages a day. 1356 00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:20,649 Yeah. And it's always 1357 00:53:20,650 --> 00:53:22,809 every time if I want to publish 1358 00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:25,029 something to go deeper or 1359 00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:26,079 to reveal something. 1360 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,209 What is behind eight 1361 00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:30,189 hundred to six hundred. 1362 00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:32,259 I am I'm thinking 1363 00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:34,599 twice about it and 1364 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,550 of course it is always this. 1365 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,579 Um yeah. 1366 00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,039 But there should be something to 1367 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,129 remember. I see my role in 1368 00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:46,239 them in this project or we see 1369 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,429 our role as somebody who 1370 00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:51,099 now will prepare 1371 00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,529 and know 1372 00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:56,019 and the step as much as possible 1373 00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:57,399 to have as much as possible. 1374 00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,859 And these are the questions 1375 00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:00,860 that should be 1376 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,359 they should be the second or otherwise. 1377 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,759 We don't know what to what to forget. 1378 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,289 There would be nothing to forget if there 1379 00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:09,940 is nothing left. 1380 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:15,489 I can go on, there's no other question. 1381 00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:17,469 So do you have anyone looking at the 1382 00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:19,539 audio content of the archives, 1383 00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:21,679 so the meetings and or 1384 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,949 the way files all of the embedded 1385 00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:26,289 sounds in the pages? 1386 00:54:26,290 --> 00:54:28,239 Yeah, this is what is 1387 00:54:29,350 --> 00:54:30,609 all this? 1388 00:54:30,610 --> 00:54:32,799 My one channel 1389 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,079 I started on when the 1390 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,820 Joe Six Pack. 1391 00:54:39,610 --> 00:54:40,610 Because 1392 00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:42,830 what we. 1393 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,280 Yeah, it's not they're 1394 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,689 not really working, yeah, but 1395 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:54,739 yeah, we miss me, they sound very much. 1396 00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:54,989 Yeah. 1397 00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:57,119 So what's the most popular movie sound, 1398 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,249 the most popular media sound now? 1399 00:54:59,250 --> 00:55:01,619 It's not from the statistics, but 1400 00:55:01,620 --> 00:55:03,899 what I notice this is a scene from 1401 00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,489 the X Files, 1402 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:10,859 of course. 1403 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:12,989 Yeah. It appears on the science 1404 00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:14,399 fiction web pages. 1405 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,679 It appears on in West Hollywood, 1406 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,069 on children web pages. 1407 00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:19,070 It's everywhere. 1408 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,009 Are there any other questions? 1409 00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:30,349 Yeah, I have a question 1410 00:55:30,350 --> 00:55:31,299 for you. 1411 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:32,389 Yeah. 1412 00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:34,519 Are you interested in people donating the 1413 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,679 old Web pages? Because I'm 1414 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,599 like a dollar hoarder and I saved 1415 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,999 everything I ever did on the Internet 1416 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,309 and so, like, maybe out of 1417 00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:45,379 the two and would send you 1418 00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:47,749 the various crappy starts 1419 00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:49,189 of the Internet. 1420 00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:51,289 Yes, please. So it's offline, but 1421 00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:52,309 you saved it. Yeah. 1422 00:55:52,310 --> 00:55:53,629 Yeah, I did, too. 1423 00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:55,789 So, yeah. And this is the Josaitis 1424 00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:56,839 Web page. 1425 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,430 No tripod. 1426 00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:02,149 Yeah. This is precious 1427 00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:03,489 is such a mess. 1428 00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:04,309 Yeah. 1429 00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:06,399 And with Josaitis there is still 1430 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,509 a lot but worth a try, but you 1431 00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:10,039 wouldn't know what to do with it. 1432 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,079 And maybe you know, more recent case 1433 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,080 hive's. 1434 00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:15,289 Yeah. 1435 00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:16,290 It's 1436 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,379 a social network in Holland. 1437 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:21,199 Yeah. That was last year. 1438 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,629 It was closed and their users 1439 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,479 only got two weeks to rescue their files 1440 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,609 and their 25 1441 00:56:28,610 --> 00:56:31,129 terabytes of data 1442 00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:33,349 that was saved. 1443 00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:35,449 But how to make sense out of it? 1444 00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:36,920 Nobody knows yet. But there is. 1445 00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:40,779 But they are the Internet 1446 00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:42,579 archive, they are stored. 1447 00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:46,329 Another question from the Internet, 1448 00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:47,769 so do you anything? 1449 00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:49,779 Do you know anything about the popularity 1450 00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:52,179 of CGI and friends? 1451 00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:54,489 So, yeah, basically 1452 00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:56,469 common gateway interface or not computer 1453 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:57,470 graphics. 1454 00:56:58,570 --> 00:57:00,079 I don't really understand it. 1455 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,409 So how many pages use CGI 1456 00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:04,599 code, for example, for 1457 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,439 a counter or something on the counter? 1458 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,919 Now, I don't have statistics. 1459 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,879 It's easy to find out, actually, 1460 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:13,880 but it is. 1461 00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:16,479 Let's say it's almost everywhere and 1462 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,579 there is always the by Joe 1463 00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:20,139 Citizen, by Yahoo! 1464 00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:22,989 There was always one pixel beacon, 1465 00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:25,149 the beacon that was always 1466 00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:26,150 there. And 1467 00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:29,829 the from starting 1468 00:57:29,830 --> 00:57:32,079 from Yahoo times, the counter 1469 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,819 was by default there. 1470 00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:35,440 Some removed it, some did not. 1471 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,760 But we have another developer here, 1472 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,169 next microphone, sorry, please. 1473 00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:47,079 Yeah, OK, so at the beginning of the 1474 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,219 talk, you talked about this 1475 00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:50,559 professionalization of the web 1476 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,929 and and that users 1477 00:57:52,930 --> 00:57:54,669 don't exist anymore. 1478 00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:56,559 So do you think we should bring back this 1479 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,869 amateur, like, Web creation 1480 00:57:58,870 --> 00:58:01,209 again? Like, is there any 1481 00:58:01,210 --> 00:58:03,579 you talked about new cities, like 1482 00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:05,589 a new project that kind of brings back 1483 00:58:05,590 --> 00:58:06,849 new cities. 1484 00:58:06,850 --> 00:58:09,039 What is your thought about like 1485 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,139 like the current state of 1486 00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:12,879 amateur web creation? 1487 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,379 Is is it bad? 1488 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:16,749 And you also talk about this, that 1489 00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:18,249 we use Facebook instead. 1490 00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:21,039 It is not really a creative, engaging 1491 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,139 activity. So so what is the 1492 00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:25,269 alternative? How do we bring back this 1493 00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:27,729 amateur age of the Web? 1494 00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:29,889 It is developing in two 1495 00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:32,379 ways, actually, where you can see one 1496 00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:35,469 about the esthetics, let's say so-called 1497 00:58:35,470 --> 00:58:37,539 what's called low digital esthetics. 1498 00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:39,729 So these are people just having fun with 1499 00:58:39,730 --> 00:58:41,829 graphics, having fun with templates 1500 00:58:41,830 --> 00:58:42,849 given to them. 1501 00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:44,500 Do you know, blinking dot com. 1502 00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:47,079 Yeah. 1503 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,209 And yeah, but maybe not 1504 00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:51,709 many people here blinking 1505 00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:54,039 dot com. This is where you can make 1506 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,959 animated graphics, you can make them 1507 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,119 glitter, you can apply a lot 1508 00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,829 of stamps on it and then use them in 1509 00:58:59,830 --> 00:59:02,229 comments or anywhere 1510 00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:04,749 interest. And I mentioned it's usually 1511 00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:06,999 it's mentioned is the most 1512 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,620 bad taste 1513 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,279 thing you can do. 1514 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,660 But I observe this 1515 00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:16,809 service for many, many years 1516 00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:20,019 and imagine how it develops 1517 00:59:20,020 --> 00:59:22,389 in a very transparent one. 1518 00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:24,519 You always can see who made what 1519 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,769 stamp, who contributed with what 1520 00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:27,909 to the system. 1521 00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:30,099 You can you can see the layers and 1522 00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,359 use the layers of everything. 1523 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,669 It's almost like opening in former times 1524 00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:35,799 a source code of the page and being 1525 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,479 able to make your own page. 1526 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,029 But this is, of course, all used for 1527 00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:41,769 to create in some cheesy glittering 1528 00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:44,019 graphics. So this is them maybe 1529 00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:45,099 the done part of it. 1530 00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:47,649 And yeah, 1531 00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:50,019 the last no, but I mentioned now 1532 00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:51,819 they don't try to make Jurisich, as they 1533 00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:53,139 just called themselves like this. 1534 00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:54,879 They want to distance from this style, 1535 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,369 but they want that people make 1536 00:59:57,370 --> 01:00:00,159 web pages without templates 1537 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,589 and also mentioned in the club until 1538 01:00:02,590 --> 01:00:04,689 the minute that you get there, you are 1539 01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:05,949 the user on the system. 1540 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:07,389 Yeah. You get the tind in front of your 1541 01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:09,459 name, but not only again, you can 1542 01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:11,739 make your pages without templates there 1543 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:14,319 and you are motivated to make web rings 1544 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,149 so to link to each other. 1545 01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:18,219 And this is quite the, I 1546 01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:20,499 would say quite a precious thing 1547 01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:22,569 to start to do 1548 01:00:22,570 --> 01:00:23,649 again. Yeah, 1549 01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:25,670 thanks. 1550 01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:29,059 Oh, so we ran 1551 01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:30,289 out of time. 1552 01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:32,959 Thanks for everybody for listening 1553 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,559 and giving. 1554 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,560 Thanks for the call.