0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Dear viewer, these subtitles were generated by a machine via the service Trint and therefore are (very) buggy. If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/616 Thanks! 1 00:00:13,650 --> 00:00:15,549 Is everything OK? 2 00:00:15,550 --> 00:00:18,129 I'm very excited to be here because often 3 00:00:19,210 --> 00:00:20,739 this idea that you don't actually know 4 00:00:20,740 --> 00:00:22,899 what's going on is a frustration for when 5 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:24,319 I try to explain things. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,499 So I've decided that I'm going 7 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:28,629 to start by actually allowing you to 8 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:30,879 experience surfing the web 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,319 in China. 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,389 So I've done some screenshots 11 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:35,390 before I came 12 00:00:36,820 --> 00:00:37,759 first. I'm going to start. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,859 The first part is with a VPN 14 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:42,279 on so you can get the idea of how slow 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,379 connections are and how frustrating it 16 00:00:44,380 --> 00:00:45,380 is. 17 00:00:45,790 --> 00:00:47,199 And I'll sort of talk through this 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,430 experience with you. 19 00:00:49,510 --> 00:00:51,279 And actually, before I start, let me just 20 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,379 say so my goal here is 21 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:55,839 for you guys to really get 22 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,999 an idea of what it feels 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,739 like to be on the Chinese Internet. 24 00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:02,199 So I'm going to really like over since, 25 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,299 like, throw a lot of things at you. 26 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:06,219 OK, so just be prepared. 27 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:09,229 Let's hope this works. 28 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:13,039 So it looks here I'm 29 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,809 trying to get on Facebook, so this is 30 00:01:14,810 --> 00:01:17,269 Baidu, which is a Chinese search engine. 31 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:19,399 It's not really loading very well with my 32 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,169 VPN on. 33 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:23,509 As you can see, Yahoo! 34 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:25,609 Usually works without a VPN, 35 00:01:25,610 --> 00:01:27,799 but for some reason today it's not 36 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,889 because sometimes it's a little sketchy, 37 00:01:29,890 --> 00:01:31,489 a little weird. 38 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:33,739 And looking 39 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:35,869 up Tumblr, Tumblr is usually not 40 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:36,829 blocked also. 41 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:39,169 But as you notice, with my VPN like 42 00:01:39,170 --> 00:01:41,179 it's very slow, don't have a lot coming 43 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:42,169 in. 44 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:44,749 Yelp is barely loading 45 00:01:44,750 --> 00:01:47,839 a Facebook Google 46 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,169 down. 47 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:50,119 These seem to be really working for me. 48 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,909 This is very frustrating, as you can 49 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:54,979 imagine, especially when you're trying 50 00:01:54,980 --> 00:01:56,839 to do things and stay connected to the 51 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,069 West. 52 00:01:58,070 --> 00:02:00,199 So for some reason, New York 53 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,869 Times seems to load OK. 54 00:02:01,870 --> 00:02:03,949 And luckily, this is a GIF animation, so 55 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:05,989 we don't have any streaming issues, 56 00:02:07,070 --> 00:02:08,269 which I'll talk about later. 57 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:10,638 Also now I've decided 58 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,709 I'm going to turn it on and off. 59 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:14,629 I'm going to turn it off. 60 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:16,699 So I'm going to see if I can see any of 61 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,239 these pages. 62 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,059 And now I'm going to search the Chinese 63 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:21,589 Internet and we're going to see actually 64 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:23,689 how fast it loads without using a 65 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:24,949 VPN. 66 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:26,929 Look at that. 67 00:02:26,930 --> 00:02:28,849 It's pretty efficient, actually, when 68 00:02:28,850 --> 00:02:30,370 you're not trying to get outside. 69 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:33,679 These are some videos. 70 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,779 The search engine, 71 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:36,919 Dubon is actually 72 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:39,449 kind of like a music site. 73 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:41,060 Taobao is the shopping site. 74 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:44,899 As you can see, this is a Chinese 75 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:45,900 Internet. 76 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:49,399 So now I'm going to take you through 77 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,049 Taobao a little bit and 78 00:02:52,050 --> 00:02:54,259 just paid really close attention also 79 00:02:54,260 --> 00:02:56,689 to the esthetics of this page. 80 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:58,759 Lots of things like blinking 81 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,059 at you right now. I'm looking at movies 82 00:03:02,060 --> 00:03:04,220 now. I'm going to look up cell phones 83 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:08,179 can see how fast you can see my options. 84 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:10,429 You can see advertisement 85 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:12,089 esthetics on the side. 86 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:13,999 OK, so now I'm actually just looking at 87 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,249 men and I 88 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:17,539 want to pause it right here. 89 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:21,799 So actually what I typed in was actually 90 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,959 just the word for man. 91 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,029 And as you can see, I've got some 92 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:28,429 really interesting project products 93 00:03:28,430 --> 00:03:29,430 for men. 94 00:03:31,010 --> 00:03:33,319 The thing is that in terms of 95 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,779 how you can find even things you need, 96 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:37,759 like certain products, if they're 97 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,889 products like this, you can't 98 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:41,989 just type in dildo 99 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:44,269 and find it. So there's even 100 00:03:44,270 --> 00:03:46,729 a way about finding certain products 101 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:47,179 online. 102 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:49,249 OK, so that comes into play with sort of 103 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:51,319 like creativity creatively going 104 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,479 through how to exist 105 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,649 on this Chinese Internet. 106 00:03:54,650 --> 00:03:55,399 Right. 107 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,879 So let's look at some of these products. 108 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,759 Well, so pornography may be 109 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,129 illegal in China, but toys 110 00:04:04,130 --> 00:04:05,130 are not. 111 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:09,650 So these are just a few examples. 112 00:04:12,190 --> 00:04:14,079 And I'm kind of previewing this because I 113 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,759 want you to understand that the culture 114 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,889 is incredibly vibrant and everyone has 115 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:19,299 the same desires. 116 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:21,399 So there's options. 117 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:26,529 However, actually, 118 00:04:26,530 --> 00:04:28,299 if you notice back then, I don't know if 119 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:29,709 I can go back because I've been having 120 00:04:29,710 --> 00:04:31,509 trouble with the video. But you notice 121 00:04:31,510 --> 00:04:33,639 how there were stickers on and 122 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,349 kind of censoring certain parts of the 123 00:04:35,350 --> 00:04:37,449 image. I want you to keep that esthetic 124 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:38,709 in mind because we're going to talk about 125 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:39,710 that again also. 126 00:04:41,530 --> 00:04:42,530 Let's see. 127 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:46,239 So now I'm looking at Germany 128 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:50,649 and look at all the beer, 129 00:04:50,650 --> 00:04:52,749 some of it's real German beer, most of 130 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:54,040 it's fake German beer. 131 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:57,459 And just in case you need some 132 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:59,649 birthday shampoo, 133 00:04:59,650 --> 00:05:00,949 we have that in China. 134 00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:01,950 Also, 135 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,310 I tailored this for the Germans. 136 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,579 This is a streamy. 137 00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:11,679 I'm just I'm going to kind of stop soon 138 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,569 just to show you how fast video also 139 00:05:13,570 --> 00:05:15,699 streams. YOKU is basically 140 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:18,189 like YouTube and it's pronounced 141 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:20,379 yoku, not you yuku, 142 00:05:20,380 --> 00:05:21,380 by the way. 143 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:23,859 So, yeah, you can see that video actually 144 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:25,489 streams quite quickly. 145 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:26,490 Um. 146 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:29,979 Yeah, we got some dancers. 147 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:31,509 Yeah, I think you get the idea of the 148 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:33,669 esthetic and kind of what it's 149 00:05:33,670 --> 00:05:35,739 like, the differences between trying 150 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:37,959 to access the Western Web in China 151 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,059 versus actually just existing 152 00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:41,750 on the local platform. 153 00:05:42,910 --> 00:05:44,979 So let's move in and talk about what that 154 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:46,089 means. 155 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:48,999 So the Chinese Internet, 156 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,189 I like to call it the Internet, 157 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:53,379 essentially. It's obviously a cross 158 00:05:53,380 --> 00:05:55,689 of Chinese and Internet and essentially 159 00:05:55,690 --> 00:05:56,690 it means 160 00:05:57,850 --> 00:06:00,589 an Internet with Chinese characteristics. 161 00:06:00,590 --> 00:06:02,919 OK, that's 162 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,059 what we're going to kind of talk a lot 163 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:05,139 about today. 164 00:06:05,140 --> 00:06:07,569 Now, the thing that we have to understand 165 00:06:07,570 --> 00:06:09,219 is it has its own ecosystem. 166 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:11,619 It has its own existence and a way of 167 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:12,939 doing things right. 168 00:06:12,940 --> 00:06:14,979 So instead of Facebook and Twitter, we 169 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:16,569 have Weibo and Cucu. 170 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:19,599 Instead of Google, we have Baidu, 171 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,239 YouTube, YOKU, eBay and Etsy, 172 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,729 Tarbell, Alibaba, WhatsApp, 173 00:06:24,730 --> 00:06:26,139 WeChat. 174 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:28,299 OK, so everything 175 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:30,669 that you have outside 176 00:06:30,670 --> 00:06:33,069 of the Chinese Internet 177 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:35,469 exists inside of the Chinese Internet. 178 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:38,229 OK, so this idea that it's a desolate 179 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:40,749 or barren or empty landscape 180 00:06:40,750 --> 00:06:42,559 is very untrue. 181 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,079 And that's what I really want to talk to 182 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,080 you about today. 183 00:06:45,910 --> 00:06:46,910 So. 184 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:49,729 The biggest difference at this point in 185 00:06:49,730 --> 00:06:51,529 the history of the Chinese Internet is 186 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:53,539 that it actually mostly exists on a 187 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:55,369 device like this. 188 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:57,989 So thinking about that, 189 00:06:57,990 --> 00:07:00,259 if you think about most of us in this 190 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:02,839 room, probably first access the Internet 191 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,479 through a very large computer. 192 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,939 It was expensive, it was slow, 193 00:07:07,940 --> 00:07:09,259 it was dial up. 194 00:07:09,260 --> 00:07:11,629 So we had a certain expectation for how 195 00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:13,189 to surf the Internet. 196 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:14,190 Right. 197 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:17,029 At this point in China's history, the 198 00:07:17,030 --> 00:07:19,039 majority of people experiencing the 199 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,409 Internet for the first time 200 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:23,149 are experiencing it through a mobile 201 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:24,509 device. 202 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:26,779 OK, so their expectation 203 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:28,969 for how they interact, 204 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:31,279 for how they maneuver through 205 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,379 things, the speed at which it goes, is 206 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:35,329 very different from most of us. 207 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:37,579 We also have to consider this. 208 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:39,679 So this is 209 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,409 a really funny advertising from Wishin 210 00:07:42,410 --> 00:07:44,629 or WeChat, which is one of the 211 00:07:44,630 --> 00:07:46,579 biggest mobile app platforms, and it 212 00:07:46,580 --> 00:07:48,229 keeps getting bigger and bigger. 213 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,509 And in this, it basically says that 214 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:52,610 they are going to change the world. 215 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:55,819 So and that's kind of what I'm going to 216 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:56,779 talk about. 217 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:59,089 So that moves 218 00:07:59,090 --> 00:08:01,849 me onto my research, which is 219 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:03,919 partly anthropological and 220 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,690 also partly performative. 221 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:09,410 I call it the Internet Archive. 222 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:13,609 So to explain that Internet archive, 223 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:15,889 what I use is something 224 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:17,779 called people nearby. 225 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:20,059 And it's a function in the app 226 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:23,299 that lets me use the location 227 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:25,519 based services of my device 228 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,709 and access other people in. 229 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:29,119 And I think it's around a thousand 230 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,429 kilometer or thousand meter 231 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:32,629 radius. 232 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:34,699 So it's very location based. 233 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:36,798 OK, a lot of what I've collected 234 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,139 for this archive has come from places 235 00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:41,209 like Beijing and Shanghai, 236 00:08:41,210 --> 00:08:43,579 Graylin, Shenzhen, 237 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:45,739 Chiun. I think there's like six different 238 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:48,049 Chinese cities, also Korea, Texas, 239 00:08:48,050 --> 00:08:49,549 now Germany. 240 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:51,739 So what I'm showing you 241 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,239 is how I access this. 242 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,909 So this is if I were to go and view 243 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:58,009 people nearby, this is what 244 00:08:58,010 --> 00:09:00,019 I would find in different areas. 245 00:09:01,220 --> 00:09:04,129 So it becomes very interesting, 246 00:09:04,130 --> 00:09:06,049 the fact that it is location based, 247 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:08,119 because everywhere I go, I find out new 248 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,369 things about how people interact 249 00:09:10,370 --> 00:09:12,559 with this app and exactly what is 250 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,059 their relationship to China. 251 00:09:14,060 --> 00:09:15,599 Because this is a Chinese app. 252 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,929 It is owned by a Chinese Internet 253 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:20,029 company. So it is a part of 254 00:09:20,030 --> 00:09:21,599 the Internet. 255 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,779 OK, and 256 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:25,879 so here's San Antonio, Texas, where I 257 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,979 was briefly before I came here, 258 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:29,090 and here's Germany. 259 00:09:30,650 --> 00:09:32,569 And what I found in Germany is actually 260 00:09:32,570 --> 00:09:34,999 it's mostly German 261 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,249 men and a lot of Turkish 262 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:39,319 Iraqi people, 263 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,109 which I wasn't surprised, which has 264 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:44,929 a reputation in the Middle East already. 265 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:46,819 So I wanted just to give you an idea of 266 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:48,739 how this happens, OK? 267 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:50,449 And I kind of go through and I start 268 00:09:50,450 --> 00:09:52,579 looking through profiles, any profile 269 00:09:52,580 --> 00:09:53,580 that has. 270 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:59,649 It tells me that I can look up to 10 271 00:09:59,650 --> 00:10:01,689 posts, which means they've kept their 272 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:03,309 account open. 273 00:10:03,310 --> 00:10:05,409 So I go through and I 274 00:10:05,410 --> 00:10:07,719 collect images in open accounts 275 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,489 like this or profile images. 276 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:11,109 So they're all public images. 277 00:10:13,690 --> 00:10:16,449 So what do I do with these images? 278 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:18,399 Well, I'm looking for patterns and 279 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,529 collections and I'm trying to find out 280 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:22,599 what what's going on in China 281 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,159 in the virtual world. 282 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,289 A lot of times you can view what I am is 283 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:29,019 like sort of a document documentarian. 284 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:31,779 So I'm a documentary photographer 285 00:10:31,780 --> 00:10:32,979 because a lot of these are actually 286 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:33,980 screenshots. 287 00:10:35,230 --> 00:10:37,329 This is an example, again, to look at the 288 00:10:37,330 --> 00:10:39,909 esthetic of the Chinese Internet. 289 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:42,069 OK, we have a lot of busyness, a lot of 290 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:44,139 color, a lot of 291 00:10:44,140 --> 00:10:46,389 bling, a 292 00:10:46,390 --> 00:10:48,719 lot of different text 293 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,159 in the same image. 294 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,019 It's a little overwhelming. 295 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:55,419 One of the artists that I work with 296 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:57,519 is her name saying Now 297 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,989 I'll talk about her later. 298 00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:01,539 She likes to describe 299 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:03,849 the Chinese Internet as an Internet 300 00:11:03,850 --> 00:11:05,409 ecstasy. 301 00:11:05,410 --> 00:11:07,479 OK, so let's keep that in mind as we 302 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,099 move forward. 303 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:11,829 So what do I find 304 00:11:11,830 --> 00:11:14,169 in most? I'm going to show you a few sets 305 00:11:14,170 --> 00:11:15,699 of things I find quite often. 306 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:16,989 And one of them. 307 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:18,159 Oh, actually, we're going to talk about 308 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,659 graphics. I'm sorry. 309 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:21,939 So, again, here, we're just reinforcing 310 00:11:21,940 --> 00:11:24,309 that Internet ecstasy feeling. 311 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:25,630 Notice all the hearts. 312 00:11:26,890 --> 00:11:28,989 And actually this is what an open 313 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:30,369 moments page looks like. 314 00:11:30,370 --> 00:11:32,859 So if I go if I can go into an account, 315 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:33,939 this is what I'm looking at. 316 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:36,069 And then below that will be the 317 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:37,239 posts that they make. 318 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,009 OK, this is a really great example. 319 00:11:42,010 --> 00:11:44,679 We have a few things going on here. 320 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:46,989 We have a Chinese lamp, 321 00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:49,389 we have some roses, some Christmas 322 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:51,789 candles and presents. 323 00:11:51,790 --> 00:11:53,349 And what does it say? 324 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:55,689 It says greetings. 325 00:11:55,690 --> 00:11:57,069 Good morning. Good morning. 326 00:11:57,070 --> 00:11:59,949 It says good morning in two ways. 327 00:11:59,950 --> 00:12:01,659 It's all Shanghai and so on. 328 00:12:01,660 --> 00:12:03,729 Same meaning. 329 00:12:03,730 --> 00:12:06,219 But they decided that it was necessary 330 00:12:06,220 --> 00:12:07,479 to say it twice. 331 00:12:08,890 --> 00:12:10,989 So, again, this gives you an idea of how 332 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:12,999 things sort of get mixed up and it's just 333 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,649 piecing together when it comes to 334 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:15,650 esthetics. 335 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:19,229 So this is probably a retailer and she 336 00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:21,749 is probably selling beads like this, 337 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:24,059 what she's using to make this 338 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:26,519 edited part is a Chinese 339 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,169 app called Made to Seduce You. 340 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:31,049 I've used it a lot myself. 341 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,649 And guess what? 342 00:12:34,650 --> 00:12:36,779 Chinese people use it a lot, too. 343 00:12:38,610 --> 00:12:41,159 So this is a very common esthetic. 344 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,359 Is this sort of overload? 345 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,519 And if we think about that early Taobao 346 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,649 page where everything was blinking and 347 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:49,919 everything was boom, bam, whatever, 348 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,259 it starts to translate in every 349 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:53,640 part of life in China. 350 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:58,019 But I think it's really quite special. 351 00:12:58,020 --> 00:13:00,189 He's saying, like how like have a great 352 00:13:00,190 --> 00:13:01,499 it's a great time. 353 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,600 He's look, he's having a great time. 354 00:13:05,170 --> 00:13:07,179 So now let's say we're going to have a 355 00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:09,489 traditional picture. 356 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:11,859 We still need to have some chaos 357 00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:13,779 if you notice all the different patterns 358 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:16,179 everybody's wearing on their shirts. 359 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:18,339 And if you also notice the background, we 360 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:21,429 have bling on the background 361 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:23,499 so you can escape 362 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:25,509 this. It's beautiful. 363 00:13:25,510 --> 00:13:27,699 So this is actually a photograph I 364 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:28,689 took in the park. 365 00:13:28,690 --> 00:13:30,489 I like to spend a lot of time in the park 366 00:13:30,490 --> 00:13:32,559 because I think what I 367 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,449 do on the Chinese Internet is kind of 368 00:13:34,450 --> 00:13:36,399 like it's a virtual landscape. 369 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,559 So often I look at what I do is if it's 370 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:40,809 like a virtual street that I'm walking 371 00:13:40,810 --> 00:13:43,239 down and I'm seeing things. 372 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,309 But sometimes for me to understand those 373 00:13:45,310 --> 00:13:47,469 things, I actually need to exist in 374 00:13:47,470 --> 00:13:50,319 real life, which is why I live in China. 375 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,149 So I spend a lot of time at the park 376 00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:54,579 because it gives me a really 377 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:56,799 nice place to see a lot of diverse 378 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:57,879 types of people. 379 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,179 So do you 380 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:03,069 notice his esthetic, this miss 381 00:14:03,070 --> 00:14:04,809 mismatching into his shirt and it's 382 00:14:04,810 --> 00:14:06,969 chaos. So this Internet 383 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:09,409 esthetic exists in the physical form. 384 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:11,259 It is everywhere. 385 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:12,260 OK. 386 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,179 So we're going to talk about that more 387 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:16,229 later year. 388 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:18,699 So I'm telling a little story, 389 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:20,399 so if you haven't gotten that yet, 390 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:23,759 so what are some other things that I have 391 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,899 in my archive? 392 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:26,280 Lots of hearts. 393 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:30,719 So this is a funny one, because 394 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,789 to play, you know, a lot of the way 395 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:35,039 that things work on the Chinese Internet 396 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,409 is word play and 397 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:38,849 no play. 398 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:41,009 So in this case, 399 00:14:41,010 --> 00:14:43,499 five to zero is 400 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:46,169 in Chinese who are ling. 401 00:14:46,170 --> 00:14:48,269 But it sounds a little bit like 402 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:50,399 I love you in Chinese, which is 403 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,599 what I need. 404 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,759 So they've decided that 405 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,009 if you make five, 20, it means I love 406 00:14:56,010 --> 00:14:58,199 you without actually having to say it 407 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,449 or use the characters. 408 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:02,460 So this is Internet speak in China. 409 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:07,559 And it's interesting because in WeChat, 410 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,689 it allows you sometimes during 411 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:11,219 like Valentine's Day or different 412 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:13,379 holidays, if you type five, 20 little 413 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:15,899 hearts will float down the screen. 414 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:17,369 It's very interactive. 415 00:15:17,370 --> 00:15:19,199 Also something to consider. 416 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,449 The experience online in China 417 00:15:21,450 --> 00:15:23,010 is very interactive. 418 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:26,909 Moving on, so someone made a nice 419 00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:29,009 dinner for his love and there's 420 00:15:29,010 --> 00:15:31,979 crabs and heart kandal, 421 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:34,349 somebody has decided that their dog 422 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:35,350 needs a heart. 423 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:38,489 Food in shapes of heart. 424 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,809 Rhodes's. 425 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:44,209 Shrimp, this is a particularly beautiful 426 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:45,210 one, I think 427 00:15:46,610 --> 00:15:48,799 they get very, very creative with their 428 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,090 hearts. Let me tell you, 429 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:52,759 see, we could do it. 430 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,519 Why not on your desktop, have one 431 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,009 and why not post an actual 432 00:15:58,010 --> 00:15:59,010 heart? 433 00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:01,609 This is the heart of a 434 00:16:01,610 --> 00:16:03,019 38 year old woman. 435 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,649 So that moves into another portion, 436 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:07,669 which is 437 00:16:10,130 --> 00:16:12,589 how actually like explicit 438 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:13,939 purpose can be. 439 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:15,859 There's not the same kind of censoring 440 00:16:15,860 --> 00:16:17,549 for gruesome things. 441 00:16:17,550 --> 00:16:19,969 OK, so it's very interesting. 442 00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:22,219 I find a lot of injuries, like 443 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:24,350 I find a lot of people posting injuries, 444 00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:28,249 very vivid ones in the far 445 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:30,439 left. It actually there are very 446 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,779 straight lines. So it's kind of 447 00:16:33,830 --> 00:16:36,589 yeah, it could be self-induced. 448 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:38,210 I also find a lot with 449 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:40,879 IVs in the hospital. 450 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,809 So these are common 451 00:16:44,810 --> 00:16:47,809 and that moves into the hand ones. 452 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:50,389 I have so many images 453 00:16:50,390 --> 00:16:51,949 like this and they're very random. 454 00:16:51,950 --> 00:16:53,809 It's like an object in their hand. 455 00:16:53,810 --> 00:16:55,699 Sometimes their hand is doing something, 456 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:57,799 sometimes the objects doing something, 457 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,589 sometimes they're just holding it. 458 00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:01,819 But what I really want you to pay 459 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:03,619 attention to is how actually when you 460 00:17:03,620 --> 00:17:05,179 start to look at these, it almost looks 461 00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:07,909 like you're entering that space yourself. 462 00:17:07,910 --> 00:17:08,989 Right? 463 00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:10,999 It has this perspective of virtual 464 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,290 experience. Right. 465 00:17:13,859 --> 00:17:15,989 Like that first person, so like let's 466 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:18,029 let's keep that in mind also. 467 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:20,219 OK, so this is 468 00:17:20,220 --> 00:17:21,579 the circle of life. 469 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,289 Yeah, I find I don't know why I find this 470 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:26,459 quite often. Also 471 00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:31,239 food you'll notice on the second 472 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,099 row, middle row. 473 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:33,419 There's a nice one that's a little 474 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:34,679 surprising. 475 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,420 You don't catch that usually. 476 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,579 I get to see in people's houses, so 477 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:43,889 I get to see what their house looks like, 478 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:46,559 what kind of technology they're using. 479 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,079 This is a whole series of TVs 480 00:17:50,610 --> 00:17:52,319 which I'm going to move into of the house 481 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,389 is a little bit I get to have like a 482 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:56,579 very intimate perspective 483 00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:58,469 of how people are living in China. 484 00:17:58,470 --> 00:18:01,049 And it's very odd, actually. 485 00:18:01,050 --> 00:18:03,479 I have images inside of migrant homes 486 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,819 or migrant dormitories, 487 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:08,339 inside of student dormitories, inside 488 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:11,129 of very, very wealthy people. 489 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:13,379 So there's a very huge economic 490 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:15,499 diversity in the country as well. 491 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,509 These static we saw earlier, it's kind of 492 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:20,799 happening here, too, right? 493 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,800 Do you see it? 494 00:18:22,510 --> 00:18:24,160 Not as extreme, but it's there. 495 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:27,249 Um, so here's 496 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:29,049 some other ones. 497 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:30,609 There's always pictures of food. 498 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:31,509 This one's quite funny. 499 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:33,279 He's got a bottle. 500 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,959 Yes, my wine. 501 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,519 But I don't think it's actually the 502 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,289 original name because that looks like a 503 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:39,939 sticker on top of the original 504 00:18:41,050 --> 00:18:43,549 label. And the Chinese name is actually 505 00:18:43,550 --> 00:18:45,909 a Maitua, which sounds like, yes, 506 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:48,009 my my 507 00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:50,589 wine. So it's sort of a funny wordplay 508 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:52,539 and these are a bowl of chicken feet. 509 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:55,209 So this is a really interesting cultural 510 00:18:55,210 --> 00:18:57,489 pairing because wine is not a traditional 511 00:18:57,490 --> 00:18:59,479 red wine is not a traditional alcohol 512 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,819 beverage of China. It's something 513 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:02,259 imported. 514 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:04,509 We also have Tylenol, also something 515 00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:06,819 imported and something very traditional, 516 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:08,380 which is the chicken feet. 517 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:12,029 And beautiful, beautiful, 518 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:14,129 still lives of all 519 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:17,129 kinds of interesting objects. 520 00:19:17,130 --> 00:19:19,049 I'm sort of showing this because in the 521 00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:21,299 archive there's also a lot of different 522 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:24,299 qualities of of resolution 523 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:27,089 which can reveal to me demographic 524 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:29,070 as well what kind of phone they have. 525 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:32,699 This is a beautiful still life also. 526 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:35,689 So I'm going to kind of move into Apple 527 00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:37,759 products are also something very 528 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,829 heavily made fun of in China 529 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:41,869 by Chinese people because it's a status 530 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:44,089 thing. So I'll just quickly go through 531 00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:45,090 these. 532 00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:47,869 We have yeah, we have a few 533 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:49,639 iPhone seven. 534 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,759 That's a nice one. 535 00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:54,769 So, yes, some more technology. 536 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:56,869 These are webcams in different. 537 00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:59,230 Most of these are from gaming like 538 00:20:00,940 --> 00:20:03,229 like Internet cafes. 539 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:05,089 People covering this kind of comes back 540 00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:07,279 to the topic of 541 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,349 when people do want to do when people 542 00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:11,419 do want to censor themselves because they 543 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:14,059 do know the degree of which images 544 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:14,899 are used. 545 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:17,089 They will do it intentionally and they 546 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:19,339 use different apps to do 547 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:20,929 that in kind of funny ways. 548 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:22,579 She's done an interesting job here. 549 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,209 She's it says, hey, hey, 550 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:28,369 it's a smiley face next to it. 551 00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:30,649 She's also blurred out everything around 552 00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,389 her. These are also some important things 553 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:33,440 to consider 554 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:35,059 face. 555 00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:36,160 There's a hard again, 556 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:39,979 so this is Tianjin, and 557 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:42,079 I'm realizing that I actually might 558 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,640 have to jump through some stuff. 559 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,369 Because I'm going to run out of time and 560 00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:51,299 that's the only thing I want you guys to 561 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:54,379 be able to see some artwork also, 562 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:56,029 but I am going to talk about this meme, 563 00:20:56,030 --> 00:20:57,580 which is quite funny. 564 00:20:58,610 --> 00:21:00,769 There was one day not too long 565 00:21:00,770 --> 00:21:03,379 ago, we had many weeks of smog 566 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,659 and then there was this glorious rainbow. 567 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:07,699 And everybody's feed looked like this in 568 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,769 Beijing just over and over and over 569 00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:11,089 of rainbows. 570 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:13,399 So actually, one artist in my field made 571 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,559 a beautiful rainbow picture in honor of 572 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:15,829 it. 573 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:17,569 And what was interesting about this was 574 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:19,789 that the meme only lasted as long 575 00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:21,679 as the sun set. 576 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,929 By the time the sun had actually set all 577 00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:26,089 of the images, all of the jokes, all 578 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:28,309 of the pictures were 579 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:29,209 basically gone. 580 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:31,399 And what was left was 581 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,200 this amazing gif animation 582 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,419 for a meme that only lasted 583 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:40,160 two hours max. 584 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:44,559 It's pretty good, 585 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,560 really. 586 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:51,589 Yeah, so 587 00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:54,649 money is really big, lots of money, 588 00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:56,450 piles of money, especially 589 00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:59,899 money and phones also 590 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:01,009 really big. 591 00:22:01,010 --> 00:22:02,809 Notice their apple phones, although they 592 00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:03,799 could be fake ones. 593 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,419 I'm not sure. 594 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:07,129 So these are collections that I do. 595 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:09,439 I post every day in my WeChat moments 596 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,929 to sort of as a daily performance 597 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:14,269 of showing and revealing 598 00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:15,979 and learning more about these images as 599 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:17,989 an archiving collection. 600 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:20,399 So it's been installed actually at 601 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,669 Project Space, which is owned by a German 602 00:22:22,670 --> 00:22:24,020 and Hungarian women 603 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:27,349 in a show called Hong Kong one, which is 604 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:28,580 Internet, Internet, Internet. 605 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:31,849 And I typically will 606 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:33,859 install it on a mobile device. 607 00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:35,659 And so people can come in and there 608 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:37,519 actually can witness it because I post 609 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,709 every day. So it's a performance 610 00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:40,710 in real time. 611 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:43,999 So that brings me to the art portion, 612 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,209 which I'm thinking I still have time for. 613 00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:49,369 I started a project as a result 614 00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:50,749 of this. 615 00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:53,299 The archive began because my research 616 00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,879 partner, Gabriel at the city, 617 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,649 he's actually a media anthropologist, 618 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:59,919 specifically focused on Chinese Internet. 619 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,909 And he was the one that introduced me to 620 00:23:01,910 --> 00:23:03,289 all of this. 621 00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:04,939 We started a band and then we started 622 00:23:04,940 --> 00:23:05,940 researching. 623 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,229 But we propose 624 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:11,419 that we write a paper looking at 625 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:13,189 Chinese selfies initially. 626 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:15,629 And so I spent that's how the archive 627 00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:17,869 started actually two years ago. 628 00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:19,849 And I spent eight months with just 629 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:22,279 collecting selfies. 630 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,109 During that time, I realized I wanted to 631 00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:25,369 understand more because there was all 632 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:27,649 this amazing stuff happening 633 00:23:27,650 --> 00:23:30,169 and that's how it became 634 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:33,079 what it is. So the archive now is about 635 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,819 20000 or more images. 636 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:37,009 So it's a small data, but it's very 637 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:39,259 telling and revealing, as you saw 638 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:40,260 earlier. 639 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,459 And this influenced I was already 640 00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:45,229 researching artists dealing with 641 00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:47,719 technology in China because 642 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,819 I come from an Internet background, 643 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:52,219 tech, art background, 644 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:54,409 and the Chinese Internet is a whole new 645 00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:55,519 landscape. 646 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,769 And I was getting bored of the Western 647 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,049 Web and I thought to myself, man, 648 00:24:00,050 --> 00:24:02,179 this is a whole new place that we don't 649 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:03,289 know anything about. 650 00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:05,089 And I bet there's some interesting art 651 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:06,259 happening, too. 652 00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:09,139 So I moved to China four years ago 653 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:11,209 to do this and then started this 654 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:13,910 archive two years ago, which is basically 655 00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:16,339 the pairing of the archive. 656 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:18,829 And the work with artists is 657 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:21,229 excuse me, important because 658 00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:23,809 I have a very in-depth cultural 659 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:25,999 perspective of what's happening 660 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,279 in China that influences 661 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,649 for influences in 662 00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:32,659 how I can understand the art and what's 663 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:34,879 being expressed and why. 664 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,469 And that's very important to understand. 665 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:38,809 So I started noticing 666 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:41,269 that and it's actually a play 667 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:43,369 medicine, which is citizen and 668 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:45,680 Internet came out of 1984, 669 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,260 not the book, but life. 670 00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:51,979 And at the time it was a word coined in 671 00:24:51,980 --> 00:24:54,919 the West for a unified web freedom. 672 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,799 But for some reason they use this word 673 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,079 to describe Chinese Internet users, 674 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,179 because when Internet sort of 675 00:25:02,180 --> 00:25:04,309 entered China, it 676 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:06,679 was a unified experience. 677 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,359 It was the first time the country could 678 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,429 sort of connect across all over 679 00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:12,649 the place and sort of voice and share 680 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:14,779 in their ideas and opinions 681 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:16,369 and anything else. 682 00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:18,589 And so this is why they were referring to 683 00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:20,739 they refer to Chinese netizens. 684 00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:22,969 OK, so a play 685 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:25,069 on that to make the 686 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:26,869 Chinese name because I need a Chinese 687 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:27,949 name. 688 00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:30,079 It's Wang Yong, which is just 689 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,239 Internet friend network. 690 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,519 And what that actually translate to, it's 691 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,799 referring to the early years of BBC 692 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,429 boards and chat groups. 693 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:40,549 Right. A lot of people made very, 694 00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:42,319 very close friends on the Internet in the 695 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,039 early years. 696 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,289 So with the that I'm looking at 697 00:25:46,290 --> 00:25:47,849 a lot of things and I started 698 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:49,919 commissioning New Hive was 699 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,349 supporting some of this, I'm moving 700 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:53,879 a lot into interviews. 701 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,739 My biggest thing is I like to interview 702 00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:57,809 these artists and ask things like, 703 00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:59,639 when do you remember hearing about the 704 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,640 Internet? 705 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,059 What's the first piece of technology? 706 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:05,369 I'm very interested in creating 707 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:07,649 a timeline of experience with 708 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:11,009 the history of technology in China also. 709 00:26:11,010 --> 00:26:13,109 So my first artist was 710 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:16,019 Mao, and she did 711 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:19,079 she did a nice little show online for us 712 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,689 and she named it. Meanwhile, 713 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:23,819 in China, which is a 714 00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:26,039 Western meme, but so in love 715 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,469 will never feel tired again. 716 00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:30,539 And it's so tired is spelled 717 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:33,329 wrong. And that was a chinless Chinglish 718 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:35,369 accident that she made. 719 00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:37,379 And then we decided to keep it because it 720 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:39,089 was very appropriate. 721 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:41,459 So she did. 722 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:42,899 I'm not going to talk about all of it, 723 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,479 but she did one piece 724 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,879 where we ended up splitting the screen. 725 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,709 This is a video that 726 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,589 comes from this meme. 727 00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:54,719 There was a meme with a kid 728 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,269 born in the 90s who wrote like 729 00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,699 So in love, will never feel tired again 730 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,249 and ended up becoming viral. 731 00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,799 And then somebody this is an 732 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,239 example of a website called Bill 733 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,659 Dot Com, which allows people to stream 734 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:11,849 their own videos and then comments 735 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:13,489 just run across. 736 00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:14,639 It's very interactive. 737 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,629 Right. 738 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:17,759 And so 739 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,099 she splits it. It's actually in YOKU 740 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:21,959 and in YouTube. 741 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,029 And so when you're in China, you can't 742 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:25,380 see the YouTube side. 743 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,099 And when you're in the Western world, 744 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,829 yoku like load's very, very slowly. 745 00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:34,379 So this piece specifically is straddling 746 00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:36,119 both Internets at the same time. 747 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,839 If you want to see it, I'll give you the 748 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,939 website later and you can 749 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:43,129 go through it. So the one 750 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:45,229 thing actually the first piece that 751 00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:47,089 she did dealing with the Internet was in 752 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:49,549 2007 called The Blind Spot. 753 00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:51,679 She spent three months taking 754 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,869 a dictionary, Chinese dictionary 755 00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:57,199 and a list of Google censored words 756 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,059 and blanked them out. 757 00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:01,219 So this is the first piece I'd ever found 758 00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:03,469 that was really directly 759 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:05,569 dealing with what 760 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:07,489 the Internet was in China at that time. 761 00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:08,949 That was in 2007, 762 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:12,019 which leads me to Ferna. 763 00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:13,909 She was doing some screen paintings in 764 00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:15,319 2008. 765 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,479 And this one is particularly interesting 766 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,309 because if you notice, it's a Google 767 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:20,310 C.N.. 768 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:24,319 In 2010, Google left 769 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,389 China because they were 770 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:28,549 not into the censorship 771 00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:30,919 issue or Sensorites censorship laws 772 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,929 that were going into place and they 773 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:35,149 routed everything to Hong Kong. 774 00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:37,009 So this is a really interesting piece 775 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:39,439 because it's documenting a screen 776 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,599 that no longer exist for 777 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,819 a very specific reason 778 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:45,589 and she's gaming. 779 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:47,449 So that interactivity thing is a really 780 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:49,339 big thing to understand about the Chinese 781 00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:50,599 Internet. 782 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,950 It's an experience. 783 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:56,029 This is where and she's quite interesting 784 00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:58,489 because she is the first 785 00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:01,009 artist who's also curating works online. 786 00:29:01,010 --> 00:29:04,129 She has an online gallery called 787 00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:06,199 sorry, called Big 788 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,299 Bad Gallery dot com. 789 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,279 She did some really interesting projects. 790 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,469 So if you want to know it later, ask. 791 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,179 So this piece is called Oriental Giants. 792 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:19,309 And she actually what she does, I can try 793 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,569 to access it. 794 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:21,570 She. 795 00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:24,549 Might not load. 796 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:26,130 We've been having trouble with loading, 797 00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:29,499 basically what she did is sort of a 798 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:31,719 like an open source crowd surfing 799 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,519 project where she's trying to get people 800 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,859 to send her images and information about, 801 00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:37,959 like giant Mao Zedong 802 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,879 statues around the country. 803 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,939 And she's creating a statistical map, 804 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:46,089 ironically, on Google Maps 805 00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:48,369 of things in the of 806 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,619 these giant Mao statues all over 807 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:51,620 the country. 808 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,029 And this is interesting. 809 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:57,219 She's so Katis is actually an 810 00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:59,319 American and she did a project. 811 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,999 She's working on a project called Human 812 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,049 Spam. 813 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:04,239 The biggest experience with mobile 814 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,339 device is the way that information 815 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:08,829 is flooded. People are so connected, 816 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:11,019 you don't ever not have your 817 00:30:11,020 --> 00:30:13,719 phone. You never log off, literally. 818 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,239 So she was doing some pieces where 819 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,609 she was actually spamming everyone 820 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:21,279 and like only regurgitating information. 821 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,349 And this is a play on sort of when 822 00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:25,719 you lose the search engine, actually, 823 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,999 and you don't have that browser to go 824 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,829 explore the Internet and you're 825 00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:32,049 functioning mostly in something like we 826 00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:34,569 chat, everything becomes, 827 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:35,570 oh. 828 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,689 Did I press something? 829 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,579 Yeah, I do. 830 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:49,909 Well, so this says, ah ha ha ha. 831 00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:52,339 So it's kind of funny that it's laughing 832 00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:53,719 at us. 833 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,679 I don't know what happened. 834 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,839 It's, uh. 835 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,840 Yeah. 836 00:30:58,410 --> 00:30:59,580 Thanks, guys. 837 00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,059 Let me find where I was anyway, 838 00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:06,219 so her work with human spam is 839 00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:08,339 this basically this idea that if 840 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:10,439 you're you know, if you 841 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,449 use the search engine, then basically 842 00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:15,149 you're losing like that exploratory 843 00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:17,699 factor to go and find things. 844 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,889 And so what happens is information just 845 00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:21,629 gets like regurgitate. 846 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:22,799 It's in cycles. 847 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,299 So it kind of feels like this. 848 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,459 You're just seeing all the same stuff 849 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:28,339 over and over again. 850 00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:29,819 That's kind of what it feels like on the 851 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:32,009 Chinese Internet. Now, this is something 852 00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:34,439 she did. I can play very quickly 853 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,359 playing on this and it just shows you the 854 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,319 interactivity. 855 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,629 So she types and she pastes 856 00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:42,599 from somebody else's misu. 857 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,879 And this is. 858 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,069 See, when you say certain things, stuff 859 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:49,379 flies down the screen, 860 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:51,629 so the like I said, the experience 861 00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:53,699 is very much about interactivity, which 862 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:55,769 means the virtual world is a very special 863 00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:57,929 place and means you're always connected 864 00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:59,999 together and never logging off. 865 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,159 So that virtual world experience 866 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,379 and not real life experience are exactly 867 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,509 the same thing that's 868 00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:07,619 very different from the West. 869 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,079 We may think that we're always logged on, 870 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,389 but not like this, I promise you. 871 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:14,069 So this is our for time. 872 00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:15,899 They did another piece commissioned by 873 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:17,999 New Hive for noticing 874 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,219 it and they're playing on this 875 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,589 idea. It's called Nine Computer Exercises 876 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:24,809 for the 21st Century Online Digital 877 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:26,879 Interactive Era, 878 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,589 which is a great title. 879 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:30,929 And it's based off of this 880 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:32,159 idea in Chinese. 881 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,229 There's daily routine and daily practice. 882 00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:35,879 It's a part of the culture. 883 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,649 And so they're sort of playing on this 884 00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:39,719 digital era and the idea of 885 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,729 how do we exist when this is that 886 00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:44,369 reality, when we are always interacting, 887 00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:46,079 when we're always online. 888 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,809 This is an example of the piece. 889 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:50,489 So it gives you instructions. 890 00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:52,710 Each each side gives you instructions. 891 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:54,940 So, yeah, 892 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,349 they also did some pieces we're using 893 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:00,479 Tabbaa were they they were called ideas 894 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,249 and they would ask people to make art for 895 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:02,819 them. 896 00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,199 So in this one, they're asking you to 897 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,089 find a bunch of stuff, the same weight, 898 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:08,639 like a pile of books, a bunch of pork, 899 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,859 and like weigh them and take 900 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:12,089 photographs for them. 901 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,879 And this one's quite funny. 902 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,009 They're asking someone to buy this piece 903 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:19,019 by and make it themselves. 904 00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:20,849 And what they have to do is get us like a 905 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:23,339 stage smoke machine and like stage 906 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:25,469 this whole scene and take photographs 907 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:27,929 and videos and then, like, send it back 908 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:29,879 again. That's an artist playing off of 909 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,970 that interactivity. 910 00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:35,249 I asked them about Choung 911 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:37,649 use a traditional idiom or poem 912 00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:39,839 in four characters, and I asked them to 913 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,089 make one up for the Chinese Internet. 914 00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:44,489 So they have to Miyamoto, 915 00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:45,959 which is mysterious. 916 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,449 You can imagine how deep it is difficult 917 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:50,729 to guess or comprehend. 918 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:52,859 This is a Chinese person's 919 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:55,709 perspective of the Internet in China. 920 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:58,019 This is happening right now by a 921 00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:00,269 performance artist, BAEO and Frohna 922 00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:02,069 Poonam, which we saw earlier. 923 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:05,159 She did that Google Ciarán painting. 924 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,229 They're doing it through an app 925 00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:09,388 called Fifty One Rebo dot com, 926 00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:12,119 which is like a domestic 927 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,198 live streaming. 928 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,718 So you can have your own, like, reality 929 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,719 show. 930 00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,988 What I want to show you, these are some 931 00:34:18,989 --> 00:34:19,799 screenshots. 932 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,329 So what you're seeing here 933 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:25,919 is that virtual and real 934 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,479 world paired together. 935 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,669 So they took actually this 936 00:34:29,670 --> 00:34:30,689 is a friend who did this. 937 00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:32,759 This is an image she took at the studio 938 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,638 while they were recording and 939 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,769 she realized it didn't have 940 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:38,769 that right esthetic. 941 00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:40,738 So she went and blurred it. 942 00:34:40,739 --> 00:34:43,049 She used to zoom Mumu and like 943 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:45,149 you. Yeah, Masu sees 944 00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:47,459 you and like, basically blurred the whole 945 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,428 thing to make it feel right. 946 00:34:50,429 --> 00:34:52,198 And she did this in the digital realm. 947 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:52,408 Right. 948 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:54,658 Because then she could share it properly 949 00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:56,369 on the Internet. 950 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:59,429 This is actually just what the scene in 951 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,529 the live broadcast things actually look 952 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:02,759 like. 953 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,889 OK, so that physical, that virtual, 954 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:07,349 they're all real. They're the same thing. 955 00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:08,909 This is what the app looks like when 956 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:09,749 you're featuring it. 957 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:11,309 And it's again, it's interactive. 958 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,649 Everyone's bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, 959 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:16,139 giving you images, giving you content, 960 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:18,059 super sensory overload. 961 00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:23,249 So one new one is interesting for her, 962 00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:25,409 quote, I'm sorry, I am rushing, 963 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:27,059 I kind of overprepared. 964 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,869 I asked her what she considered herself, 965 00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:34,119 and she said that she saw herself 966 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,679 in different physical forms and 967 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,049 identities in the virtual 968 00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:40,179 world and she sees herself 969 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:42,099 actually becoming less and less in real 970 00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,349 life and more integrated 971 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:46,569 online. So I'm seeing 972 00:35:46,570 --> 00:35:48,699 this consistently with artists working 973 00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:49,749 with technology. 974 00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:51,819 The body is losing entire meaning, 975 00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:53,649 identity is losing meaning. 976 00:35:53,650 --> 00:35:55,749 And the virtual existence 977 00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:58,269 or the reinvention or creation 978 00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:00,639 that comes with virtual life 979 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,369 is prime primarily 980 00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:05,589 what they're sort of moving into, which 981 00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:07,809 if you think about what we saw 982 00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:10,719 earlier, digitizing 983 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,449 the real life like that, seamlessness, 984 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,639 a virtual and physical, and 985 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,799 the way that something like we chat is 986 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,629 everything. It's centralized. 987 00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:21,489 You can have boyfriends and girlfriends 988 00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:24,039 and get taxes, pay your bills. 989 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:26,060 So. 990 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:31,609 That leads me to Wangs in 991 00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:33,409 thinking about that virtual world. 992 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:35,689 She did an eight Hertz hypnosis 993 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:38,119 lab thinking about that mind, 994 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,249 focusing on that mind and 995 00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:41,780 actually losing the body. 996 00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:46,239 Also looks very cheap Internet, right, 997 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,429 and so she does hypnosis and 998 00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:50,529 she's actually moving more into VR 999 00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:52,599 with Oculus now, and I 1000 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,519 asked her about like what this 1001 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,439 experimentation is about and what she 1002 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,459 wants to create. 1003 00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:00,369 And she's working on at the moment is 1004 00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:02,559 VR hypnosis. 1005 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,809 She wants to actually 1006 00:37:04,810 --> 00:37:07,359 basically have an entire experience 1007 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,209 that's entirely mental and dimensional 1008 00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:12,579 on like many different levels 1009 00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:14,469 of perception, because if you imagine 1010 00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:16,689 what hypnosis is, it's about going 1011 00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:19,329 and sort of figuring out the issues 1012 00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:20,499 or dealing with issues. 1013 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:21,500 Right. 1014 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,369 So that leads me to my conclusion. 1015 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:28,120 This is also from the archive. 1016 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:32,319 What I'm leading to is that this is 1017 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,269 actually an example for all of us of 1018 00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:36,189 what's sort of happening in the world as 1019 00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,349 we continue to advance 1020 00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:40,059 with mobile technology. 1021 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:41,649 It's not a doomsday thing. 1022 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:43,659 It's just a reality we have to consider. 1023 00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:45,039 And we have to think about what this 1024 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,139 means in 1025 00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:49,509 legislature, in choices, in 1026 00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:51,669 production of materials, all of these 1027 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:53,859 things. So this basically this says 1028 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:56,829 that the Internet is like OPM 1029 00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:59,169 100 years ago, 100 hundred years now, 1030 00:37:59,170 --> 00:38:00,939 a hundred years later. 1031 00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:03,009 And this is made by a Chinese person. 1032 00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:04,750 However, it's in a traditional 1033 00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:09,069 it's it's not simplified. 1034 00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:10,189 Chinese is traditional. 1035 00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,979 So I don't know if this could actually be 1036 00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:13,809 from Hong Kong or Taiwan maybe 1037 00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:17,109 or very far south, because 1038 00:38:17,110 --> 00:38:18,129 in mainland we use 1039 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:22,479 simplified usually so. 1040 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,219 You know, China is the first country in 1041 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:27,749 the world to actually 1042 00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:30,959 officially, like, say 1043 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,329 that Internet addiction is a serious 1044 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:34,770 psychological problem. 1045 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,199 I see it every day. 1046 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,469 Again, we have that pairing side 1047 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:42,569 by side of the 1048 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:45,029 digitizing of real life and 1049 00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:47,399 real life, wanting to become a cyborg. 1050 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,859 These are also from my archive. 1051 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:51,749 And what I'm trying to say is that in 1052 00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:54,059 this massive archive, 1053 00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:55,919 I'm seeing these trends emerging. 1054 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,499 I'm seeing how life is becoming 1055 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,809 digital and virtual and 1056 00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:02,489 less and less physical. 1057 00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,320 And as you can see here, 1058 00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:07,199 he's already ready. 1059 00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:10,559 And he's he's like thinking about 1060 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,759 it. 1061 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,769 It's like, I'll try this on. 1062 00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:16,229 So what do we do with this idea? 1063 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:19,499 Well, I think there comes 1064 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,150 a little of this first. 1065 00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:27,629 I think first we we need to keep a sense 1066 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:28,630 of humor. 1067 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:32,129 And as we can see from a lot 1068 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:33,899 of some of the memes and some of the 1069 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,119 content that I've shown, 1070 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,039 the Chinese Internet has a great sense of 1071 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,040 humor, actually. 1072 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:42,539 So even considering, you know, 1073 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,309 everything that is happening in that it's 1074 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:46,409 a walled garden, it 1075 00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:48,029 is flourishing, it has its own digital 1076 00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:50,189 landscape and it's affecting creativity 1077 00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:51,659 and very fascinating ways. 1078 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:53,129 And that's actually what I am most 1079 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:55,319 interested about my studies 1080 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,329 is looking at how are you limitations 1081 00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:59,759 actually begin to emerge, new ideas 1082 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,049 or experiences. 1083 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:03,239 And the reality is the entire world 1084 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:05,699 is becoming virtual and digital. 1085 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:08,439 And so we all need to be considering 1086 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,770 what direction we take with this. 1087 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:12,790 And I suppose 1088 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:15,539 it is. 1089 00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:16,770 Thank you. In Chinese. 1090 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,079 That's a good. 1091 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:30,209 All right, we have plenty of 1092 00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:32,369 time left for questions and answers, 1093 00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,469 so if you have questions about 1094 00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:36,779 the very 1095 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:38,939 interesting Chinese Internet, please come 1096 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:40,260 to one of the social mikes 1097 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,080 so everybody can hear you. 1098 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:46,889 And I think we'll start with a question 1099 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:48,809 from the website. 1100 00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:50,879 Yes, the Internet would like to know, is 1101 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,699 it common for Baidu to track and analyze 1102 00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,189 WHANG users or Web users behavior 1103 00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:58,349 for statistics like Google Navteq 1104 00:40:58,350 --> 00:41:00,419 does or like it's 1105 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:01,409 done in the Western world? 1106 00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:03,479 Yes, sorry, I didn't 1107 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480 understand. 1108 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:07,109 The question is, is it common for Baidu 1109 00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:10,049 to track and analyze Web user behavior? 1110 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,809 I do, yeah. 1111 00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:13,559 I don't know. I don't study Baidu. 1112 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,659 I mean, I study user interactivity and 1113 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:17,789 WeChat. So I'm specifically looking 1114 00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:20,129 at like how people exist in this app. 1115 00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:21,519 So that's not my specialty. 1116 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,939 I'm sorry. 1117 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:24,169 Thank you. 1118 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,789 All right, then we move to the mike over 1119 00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:26,790 there. 1120 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,769 Hi, thanks for this. This is great to 1121 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:33,199 see that it's so vibrant and interactive. 1122 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,039 Yes, of course. 1123 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,389 There is a documentary that came out 1124 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:37,489 about a year ago called China's Web 1125 00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:40,369 Junkies, where 1126 00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:42,469 children who were addicted to 1127 00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:44,299 gaming or like just the Internet in 1128 00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:46,609 general, were putting these boot camps, 1129 00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:48,319 military style boot camps in order to 1130 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,419 break them of the habit. 1131 00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:52,069 Could you speak a little bit more like 1132 00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:54,679 how the culture, the older generation 1133 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,419 and the younger generation are kind of 1134 00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,579 interacting over the Internet and 1135 00:41:58,580 --> 00:42:01,069 technology and their creativity 1136 00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:02,070 and their vibrancy? 1137 00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,149 You know, in my archive, I actually have 1138 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:07,399 a lot of diversity of age as well. 1139 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,319 So there are a lot of older people that 1140 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,509 are interacting and we chat for sure. 1141 00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:13,249 So it's becoming commonplace. 1142 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,439 And part of that is because most business 1143 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,599 is done. A lot of business, not most, 1144 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,129 I'll say a lot of business is done 1145 00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:20,389 through WeChat. 1146 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:22,699 The centralization of the app also plays 1147 00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,279 into this virtual, like 1148 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,769 constant virtual experience, because 1149 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:29,689 you can pay your rent, you can have a 1150 00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:31,369 virtual girlfriend and boyfriend, a 1151 00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:33,499 virtual secretary, you can get 1152 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:34,759 a taxi. 1153 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,039 You can use people nearby 1154 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,209 for hooking up. 1155 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:39,710 You can 1156 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:43,789 chat, video chat, group chat, 1157 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:46,099 youth. There's retailers, people sell 1158 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,509 everything. 1159 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:50,179 So in terms of that interactivity, I see 1160 00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:52,519 mostly like in terms like older people, 1161 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,429 they tend to be businessmen or retailers. 1162 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:57,439 So they're using it specifically for 1163 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,509 e-commerce with younger 1164 00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:01,309 people. It's definitely more about 1165 00:43:01,310 --> 00:43:03,019 sharing and broadcasting. 1166 00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:05,179 I quite funny, I 1167 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:07,249 had a retailer, WeChat 1168 00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:09,349 friend, and she put me in a mothers group 1169 00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:12,349 of 100 Chinese women once 1170 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:14,719 and it was immensely fascinating. 1171 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,939 It was like every morning at seven a.m. 1172 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:18,229 they're all talking about what they're 1173 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:20,449 going to feed their kids, what kind 1174 00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:22,639 of detergent they should use, 1175 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,039 like where can they buy this or that? 1176 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,169 So the group chats are really functioning 1177 00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:29,239 as discussion platforms 1178 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,219 for people to connect and solve, 1179 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:34,519 solve issues in their life and also 1180 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,549 to share information. 1181 00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:37,909 Yeah. Does that help? 1182 00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:41,419 Great, thank you, cool. 1183 00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:43,009 All right, that we will just stick with 1184 00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:44,119 that, Mike, and your question. 1185 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:44,869 Your question, please. 1186 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:46,099 Thank you for a great thought. 1187 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,269 It was very interesting. 1188 00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:48,259 I have a question. 1189 00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:50,359 Could you please say a bit 1190 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,789 about the online dating in China? 1191 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:54,259 What is the perspective? 1192 00:43:54,260 --> 00:43:56,629 How do people, both men and women, 1193 00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:57,859 advertise themselves? 1194 00:43:57,860 --> 00:44:00,019 I believe you know something about it. 1195 00:44:00,020 --> 00:44:01,020 Studying. 1196 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,329 I mean, in your study, from the 1197 00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:06,629 perspective of a foreign woman or 1198 00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:08,819 no, I mean, professionally, 1199 00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:10,859 you study Internet, so that's what I 1200 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:11,860 meant, actually. 1201 00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:17,609 Well, I mean, I don't know personally. 1202 00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:20,519 I don't use any Chinese dating apps. 1203 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,259 They are used. I mean, with my experience 1204 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:23,789 when I first started the archive, I 1205 00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:25,859 actually my profile was a Chinese woman, 1206 00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:28,329 like a very beautiful Chinese woman. 1207 00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:30,419 And so I was 1208 00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:31,979 doing this because I really wanted to see 1209 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:33,569 what kind of natural interactions were 1210 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:34,570 happening. 1211 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,109 And sure enough, two years ago, it was 1212 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:39,389 just lists and lists of men contacting 1213 00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:41,459 me. Very rarely was it women. 1214 00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:43,559 So I'm finding that definitely this 1215 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,299 people nearby function is used for 1216 00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:47,339 dating. And while I've been in Germany 1217 00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:49,049 and other parts of the world using it, I 1218 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:52,379 see the same thing because 1219 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:55,019 I don't know that 1220 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:57,599 a lot of Germans maintain 1221 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,300 people nearby function in Germany 1222 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,359 for Chinese business because I'm finding 1223 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,549 it's mostly Germans or Turkish or Middle 1224 00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:07,529 Eastern. So that tells me it looks like 1225 00:45:07,530 --> 00:45:10,109 it's more interactive for dating 1226 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:11,339 in Texas. 1227 00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:13,559 It was weirder because my profile 1228 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,689 is still ambiguous and they thought I was 1229 00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:17,789 Chinese. There was a lot of white 1230 00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:19,859 men contacting me 1231 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:21,639 in broken English. 1232 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,179 I had broken my characters, 1233 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:25,800 I think thinking I'm Chinese 1234 00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:28,679 in terms of other areas. 1235 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,999 I'm not familiar. 1236 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,739 I don't use Chinese dating apps. 1237 00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,049 So yeah, 1238 00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:35,819 I can only give my perspective. 1239 00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:36,820 So yeah. 1240 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,669 OK, perfect, 1241 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:42,769 then switch over to the other side of 1242 00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:43,459 the room. 1243 00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:45,529 Um, I would like to ask 1244 00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:47,599 you if you are sure that you haven't 1245 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,819 been trolled maybe 1246 00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:52,219 by the culture, because if I was 1247 00:45:52,220 --> 00:45:54,589 looking at my Twitter 1248 00:45:54,590 --> 00:45:56,689 timeline and the 1249 00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:58,819 regular time lines of maybe professional 1250 00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:00,889 Twitters, uh, that 1251 00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:03,979 would be the same cultural, 1252 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:06,229 um, well, 1253 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:08,149 discrepancy, I would say. 1254 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:10,019 So you're saying that I'm trolling? 1255 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:10,909 No, no, no. 1256 00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:11,819 Being trolled. 1257 00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:13,969 Yeah, it's like Emmetsburg culture 1258 00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:16,099 compared compared to, uh, maybe 1259 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,739 Facebook or um. 1260 00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:20,959 Well, maybe like nine gig. 1261 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,189 It's a bit more intense. 1262 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:23,190 Maybe. 1263 00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:25,659 I mean, again, it comes back to like 1264 00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:27,969 the the purposes for use 1265 00:46:27,970 --> 00:46:29,569 are going to be different in China 1266 00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:31,429 because the cultural context is 1267 00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:33,529 different. So if the apps 1268 00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:35,959 used for centralization of most 1269 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,039 experiences, 1270 00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:40,579 the reason I know that the men contacting 1271 00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:42,769 me are interested in hook up is 1272 00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:44,419 because of the things that they say. 1273 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:46,039 No, I mean, I'm sorry. 1274 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,969 I misunderstand. 1275 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:48,859 No, I didn't I didn't reflect on that. 1276 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:50,449 I just said, oh, yeah. About the talk 1277 00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:52,549 itself in general, about 1278 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:54,349 I'm sorry about the talk itself. 1279 00:46:54,350 --> 00:46:56,959 Oh, the talk itself about trolling. 1280 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,329 No. Know the images you showed. 1281 00:46:59,330 --> 00:47:02,479 Maybe they were just not serious. 1282 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,009 Well, yeah. I mean, a lot of the images 1283 00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:05,989 are incredibly playful, but that's a part 1284 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,279 of the culture. 1285 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,249 That's a part of like online experience 1286 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:11,250 is. 1287 00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:14,739 Not being serious and humorous. 1288 00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:17,049 Yeah, I guess it's a part 1289 00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:18,130 of the meme culture. 1290 00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:21,339 I'm sorry, I don't understand the 1291 00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:22,340 question. 1292 00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:25,089 All right, then we'll maybe move to 1293 00:47:25,090 --> 00:47:27,189 another question from Twitter. 1294 00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:29,259 Ursy I actually would 1295 00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:31,419 like to know if you have experience or 1296 00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:33,309 comments on Chinese image boards 1297 00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:37,209 of Chinese like BBS boards. 1298 00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:39,369 Yeah, I can't 1299 00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:40,370 talk about that. 1300 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,900 OK, thanks for a number of reasons. 1301 00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:47,469 I will say this, I will say this. 1302 00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:49,629 From what I understand, like many of 1303 00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:51,069 the artists that I interview about their 1304 00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:53,469 early experiences, like BBS boards 1305 00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:55,899 were like were the first 1306 00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,149 sort of point of interaction. 1307 00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:59,859 And you didn't have streaming sites in 1308 00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:00,789 the beginning. 1309 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:02,859 So everything was sort of shared 1310 00:48:02,860 --> 00:48:03,849 with links and links. 1311 00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:06,339 And people would create portals served 1312 00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:08,649 outside of the Chinese Web and send links 1313 00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:10,809 to share certain kinds of content through 1314 00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:11,829 Spoors. 1315 00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:14,079 I have heard of one BBS boards that 1316 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,269 was made for Chinese men who want 1317 00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:18,369 to pick up white girls. 1318 00:48:18,370 --> 00:48:20,379 And so they give you they all talk about 1319 00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:22,509 giving each other by advice of how to 1320 00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:23,530 get a foreign girl 1321 00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:25,539 for Chinese men. 1322 00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:26,469 So it's. 1323 00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:27,470 Yeah. 1324 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,549 So it's nice, but another question, 1325 00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:32,739 Brooke, I guess it is your dating 1326 00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:33,880 question. Also. 1327 00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:40,839 Hang on a sec, I think you're Mike's not 1328 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,009 on yet. 1329 00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:43,809 Just repeat the question, please. 1330 00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:46,269 Have you taken a look at the opposite 1331 00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,759 side, like if there is a Chinese person 1332 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,449 doing the same thing for the Western 1333 00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:51,729 Internet? 1334 00:48:51,730 --> 00:48:53,319 I don't know. Actually, I haven't. 1335 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,929 Is there does anyone know? 1336 00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:57,729 I think it would be very hard because, 1337 00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:59,709 you know, for me to collect this amount 1338 00:48:59,710 --> 00:49:02,019 of image, you have to have a database and 1339 00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:04,269 a like of a function that allows 1340 00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:06,579 you to collect images in this 1341 00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:08,649 way. That's location based. 1342 00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:10,779 So the fact that it's a radius 1343 00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:13,359 of people when I turn on people nearby 1344 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,549 means that the characteristics, 1345 00:49:15,550 --> 00:49:17,649 the kind of images I'm getting are 1346 00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:19,119 based on location. 1347 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,099 So when I was in Korea, you know, I'm 1348 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,409 finding images that relate to why Chinese 1349 00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:25,199 people are in Korea. 1350 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,829 A lot of it's like buying makeup. 1351 00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:28,929 So there's tons of piles of hotel 1352 00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:30,729 rooms with makeup everywhere and 1353 00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:32,289 suitcases. 1354 00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:34,509 Now, imagine if I went to places like 1355 00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:37,539 Africa where China is actually 1356 00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:39,699 investing in infrastructure and you 1357 00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:42,129 have a lot of Chinese workers building 1358 00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:44,589 railroads, things like this. 1359 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:46,659 I would also have a very particularly 1360 00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:48,760 location based sense 1361 00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:53,019 content that tells 1362 00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:54,819 me what's happening in Africa and 1363 00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:56,049 relationship to China. 1364 00:49:56,050 --> 00:49:58,119 And that's what's quite interesting, is 1365 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,519 we have this idea of the Chinese Internet 1366 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,339 being something only based in China. 1367 00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:05,589 But like I said, WeChat 1368 00:50:05,590 --> 00:50:07,269 is still the Internet. 1369 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:09,579 It's still a Chinese Internet 1370 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,649 with characteristics of Chinese culture. 1371 00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:14,139 It's related and it's based in China 1372 00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:15,339 and it's mobile. 1373 00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:17,409 And so that begins to show us 1374 00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:19,479 actually what role China has on 1375 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,909 a much larger global scale because 1376 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:23,619 it's a location based feature. 1377 00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:29,439 OK, all right, then switch over there, 1378 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,159 OK? 1379 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,739 I would expect that that people 1380 00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:34,389 interact quite differently online, 1381 00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:36,249 depending on audience, whether that 1382 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:38,559 they're talking to their their their 1383 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,179 work colleagues or their family or their 1384 00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:42,159 friends. Could you maybe talk about how 1385 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,589 that affects the kind of 1386 00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:46,839 visual styles and how they 1387 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,669 kind of how they behave? 1388 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:50,589 Yeah, I mean, I have people in my field 1389 00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:51,759 that I don't want to see things. 1390 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,529 So you can actually block people from 1391 00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:54,969 seeing your moments. 1392 00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:57,339 And this is the really interesting 1393 00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:00,549 function of the fact that we chat is also 1394 00:51:00,550 --> 00:51:02,819 group chats and an individual chat. 1395 00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:04,449 So what actually happens is these 1396 00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:07,239 individualized groups exist 1397 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,219 and they're formatted or they become 1398 00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:11,289 about topics or a group of people 1399 00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:13,299 with shared interests. 1400 00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:15,549 And so that becomes the, you 1401 00:51:15,550 --> 00:51:18,909 know, putting everything in little boxes. 1402 00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:20,379 That's part of it. 1403 00:51:20,380 --> 00:51:22,059 I've also talked to young Chinese 1404 00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:24,519 students and there's I 1405 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,159 know a few that they use 1406 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,379 Cucu more with their friends and they use 1407 00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:31,029 WeChat more with their parents. 1408 00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:33,369 And that seems to be a platform. 1409 00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:35,199 The difference in platform allows them to 1410 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,119 separate that as well. 1411 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,120 Yeah. 1412 00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:41,469 OK, perfect. Um, yeah. 1413 00:51:43,820 --> 00:51:45,409 Thanks for your talk, I have a short 1414 00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:47,149 question, they do experience any 1415 00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:49,219 situation when 1416 00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:51,289 a Chinese person was 1417 00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:53,359 so surprised by, let's 1418 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,849 say, kind of Western content, like, 1419 00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:58,069 did you show anything which is special 1420 00:51:58,070 --> 00:52:00,169 for, let's say, Western Internet 1421 00:52:00,170 --> 00:52:01,309 to the Chinese person? 1422 00:52:01,310 --> 00:52:03,709 And it seemed so weird as 1423 00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:06,269 this stuff seem weird for us. 1424 00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:08,299 I'm trying to think because, you know, a 1425 00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,669 lot of the kind of people I would show 1426 00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:12,919 that to would be artists or 1427 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,289 like very open minded creative people. 1428 00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:17,959 And most of them already have weapons. 1429 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,269 Most of them have already studied abroad, 1430 00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:22,819 typically because it's an education class 1431 00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:23,820 thing. 1432 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,969 I think that's the other thing we have to 1433 00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:28,129 consider is that when we talk about 1434 00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:30,199 people who are really wild in this walled 1435 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,299 garden, they're of 1436 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:33,349 a certain class. 1437 00:52:33,350 --> 00:52:35,569 Right. Because when you do 1438 00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:37,459 have a certain education background or 1439 00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:39,139 you come from a certain demographic, you 1440 00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:41,299 have opportunity to travel. 1441 00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,089 And so you get experience 1442 00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:45,079 on Western webs. 1443 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,789 And then if you come back to China, you 1444 00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:48,289 want to stay connected to your new 1445 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:49,879 Western friends. 1446 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,039 So you have things like PNS 1447 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,589 or you just use WeChat because WeChat, 1448 00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:56,629 you know, the reason I use it and my 1449 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:58,999 parents uses because it's the quickest, 1450 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,309 most reliable way to stay in touch 1451 00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:04,749 without me having to use that slow VPN. 1452 00:53:04,750 --> 00:53:07,389 So that's also something to consider. 1453 00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:09,369 Yeah, it sort of like jumps over that 1454 00:53:09,370 --> 00:53:10,839 wall a little bit. 1455 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,840 Thanks. 1456 00:53:12,610 --> 00:53:14,709 OK, you get the mike to 1457 00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:15,939 the right, please. 1458 00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:17,919 Hey, yeah, also, thanks a lot for the 1459 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,139 talk, was so interesting that you showed 1460 00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:22,299 this kind of parallel Internet. 1461 00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:24,489 But in terms of the net out of the 1462 00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:26,259 Chinese artists, I thought it was very 1463 00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:28,449 similar to, well, Western art. 1464 00:53:28,450 --> 00:53:30,519 And how much do you think these two 1465 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,869 influence each other? 1466 00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:34,479 Yeah, because ultimately a lot of these 1467 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,489 artists who are working, you know, the 1468 00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:38,559 the lens, the art market landscape in 1469 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,899 China still very, very traditional. 1470 00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:42,999 So artists who are working with 1471 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,159 technology or the Internet 1472 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,529 are the much younger generation. 1473 00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:49,479 And so they're already a little Internet 1474 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,279 savvy and are familiar with the Western 1475 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,659 Web. So, yeah, of course, they've been 1476 00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:53,799 influenced. 1477 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,779 You know, what happens is like we have a 1478 00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:58,419 global esthetic now 1479 00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:59,319 across the way. 1480 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,539 We all sort of adopts you 1481 00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:03,399 can see this if you go to like most 1482 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,039 cities, hipster culture exists everywhere 1483 00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:09,769 in Africa and South America, in China, 1484 00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:11,949 like so there is sort of a global 1485 00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:14,109 esthetic. And so those influences 1486 00:54:14,110 --> 00:54:16,209 still exist in China, which is 1487 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:19,359 why you're seeing some similarities. 1488 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,689 I would say the differences come in 1489 00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:24,789 the platforms themselves or 1490 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:26,949 the cultural context, for 1491 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:29,529 example, their personal influences 1492 00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:31,659 or something like using WeChat that 1493 00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:33,969 are very Chinese specific. 1494 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:36,159 But yeah, OK, 1495 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,509 I see. One more question from the other 1496 00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:38,510 side. 1497 00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:41,589 Last image that you showed to 1498 00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:43,899 me was kind of very political in 1499 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,509 the sense that it referenced the great 1500 00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:48,819 the century of great humiliation 1501 00:54:48,820 --> 00:54:51,609 and then it referenced like traditional 1502 00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:53,719 imagery, not traditional lettering. 1503 00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:57,099 Could you talk more about the 1504 00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,139 political context of that image or if 1505 00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:00,609 there was one? 1506 00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,679 I mean, I don't see the political 1507 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,869 context most of the time and images like 1508 00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:06,969 that, because I like images like that are 1509 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:09,189 very common and they're commonly posted 1510 00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:11,649 like Chinese people use meme 1511 00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:14,229 like imagery to sort of comment 1512 00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:15,609 on those kinds of things. 1513 00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:17,829 And so it's 1514 00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:20,379 it's almost like a solidarity factor. 1515 00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:22,599 It's like this is this situation 1516 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,849 that we're in. What let's laugh about it. 1517 00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:27,969 And that's a part of feeling like 1518 00:55:27,970 --> 00:55:28,899 we all get it. 1519 00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:30,519 Now, what's going that I mean, what's 1520 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,539 happening? 1521 00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:33,759 I think there's you know, it's a country 1522 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,619 that's changing incredibly fast. 1523 00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:37,929 And when you have an economy 1524 00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:40,209 that moves that fast, it's a little 1525 00:55:40,210 --> 00:55:42,279 bit ahead of society in terms of the 1526 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,419 way of thinking. 1527 00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:45,489 And so there's 1528 00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:46,779 a lot of like lag. 1529 00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:49,089 I think there was what Alvin 1530 00:55:49,090 --> 00:55:50,829 told future shock. 1531 00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:52,119 I don't know if you've ever read this 1532 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,049 book. 1533 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:55,299 It's this idea of like 1534 00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,279 you have a people who are like a hedge 1535 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,829 and then there's this this 1536 00:55:59,830 --> 00:56:02,109 society that's moving at a certain speed 1537 00:56:02,110 --> 00:56:04,059 and certain technological advances are 1538 00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:04,539 societal. 1539 00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:07,029 Things are ahead of us and then humans 1540 00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:08,939 are not quite ready for it. 1541 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:10,959 And so it becomes this like shock of the 1542 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,399 future at the speed. 1543 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,499 I sometimes feel like that in China. 1544 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,599 Sometimes I really feel like 1545 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,449 I'm existing in an alternative future. 1546 00:56:19,450 --> 00:56:21,429 And I think everyone feels this. 1547 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:23,319 And it's going by very it's really, 1548 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,599 really fast. And so what 1549 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,759 happens is it ends up being translated 1550 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,009 into like endless, endless memes 1551 00:56:30,010 --> 00:56:32,319 like this that also 1552 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,489 talk about politics. 1553 00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:35,229 And that's the easiest way to talk about 1554 00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:36,760 politics is with humor. 1555 00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:39,759 That's. Yeah. 1556 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,529 Thanks. Sure. 1557 00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:43,389 So I don't see any more questions in the 1558 00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:45,279 room, but we have a little girl from the 1559 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,509 Internet. 1560 00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:47,829 The Internet would like to know what is 1561 00:56:47,830 --> 00:56:50,169 your favorite Chinese cinematic movie? 1562 00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:52,449 My current Chinese favorite Chinese 1563 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:53,679 cinematic movie. 1564 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,869 I don't I don't like Chinese movies. 1565 00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:59,679 That's the truth. I'm sorry. 1566 00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:03,009 OK, yeah, but there's another real 1567 00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:05,039 question I was wondering. 1568 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,179 I was I was wondering in the in 1569 00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:09,429 terms of censorship and this being 1570 00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:11,499 a very big platform, if you have 1571 00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,689 any data on how things 1572 00:57:13,690 --> 00:57:16,949 are censored on on 1573 00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:18,549 any topic of that. 1574 00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:19,929 Yeah. So some background on me. 1575 00:57:19,930 --> 00:57:21,729 I actually I grew up in Saudi Arabia in 1576 00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:23,799 my early childhood, but my parents are 1577 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,989 Americans. So when you're a foreigner 1578 00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:27,789 in Saudi Arabia in the 80s, you're 1579 00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:29,829 monitored pretty. Extremely. 1580 00:57:29,830 --> 00:57:32,019 So I grew up with a very, like, high 1581 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:33,189 awareness for this. 1582 00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:35,289 And so self censorship is 1583 00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:37,119 something very natural to me, which is 1584 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,949 also why I was interested in the Chinese 1585 00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:39,909 Internet. 1586 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:41,949 Generally, censorship happens with the 1587 00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:44,619 person first, like 1588 00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:46,809 it's really a there's parts 1589 00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:49,269 of like the Internet, 1590 00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:50,199 for example. 1591 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,299 They realized very fast that 1592 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,459 in Weibo that if you, 1593 00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:56,589 you know, typed certain text, it could 1594 00:57:56,590 --> 00:57:59,049 easily code could be written to basically 1595 00:57:59,050 --> 00:58:00,369 censor that very quickly. 1596 00:58:00,370 --> 00:58:02,709 Right. So to get creative, 1597 00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:05,409 they realized, oh, you could have a jpeg 1598 00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:07,629 of text and this could 1599 00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:09,909 spread around really fast 1600 00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:12,129 before it was taken down. 1601 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:14,259 So that innovation there's a lot 1602 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:15,399 of that comes out. 1603 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,589 Is this creative innovation to deal with 1604 00:58:17,590 --> 00:58:18,519 the situation? 1605 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,379 It plays on language, it plays on 1606 00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:22,449 formats, and then 1607 00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:23,589 it plays in Meems. 1608 00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:25,599 Again, these memes sort of become 1609 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,749 something that generates the 1610 00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:30,459 solidary of experience. 1611 00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:32,589 So, yeah, 1612 00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:34,479 it always starts with self-censorship, to 1613 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,159 be honest. Yeah, thanks. 1614 00:58:37,390 --> 00:58:39,459 OK, so, um, I don't see any more 1615 00:58:39,460 --> 00:58:41,379 questions, and we are almost out of time, 1616 00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:42,669 so thanks again, Michel. 1617 00:58:42,670 --> 00:58:43,670 Sure.