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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/1167 Thanks! 1 00:00:18,690 --> 00:00:20,969 Free public Wi-Fi available 2 00:00:20,970 --> 00:00:23,279 in every city and village all across 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,439 Europe, provided for and managed 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,269 by the government. 5 00:00:27,270 --> 00:00:29,219 Sounds great, doesn't it? 6 00:00:29,220 --> 00:00:31,289 Well, I think Austin has 7 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:33,029 had a different experience. 8 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:35,219 And today Greg is going to share 9 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:37,349 some of the problems they found and 10 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:38,669 what we can do about it. 11 00:00:38,670 --> 00:00:40,369 Let's give him a warm welcome. 12 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:47,030 Well, hello, everybody. 13 00:00:48,260 --> 00:00:50,359 Hello, well, people, hello, random 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,739 strangers from the Congress, hello, 15 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:52,759 people on the internet. 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,109 Within the next 40 minutes or 17 00:00:57,110 --> 00:00:59,329 so, I'm going to present you 18 00:00:59,330 --> 00:01:01,459 some stuff about Wi-Fi for you, 19 00:01:01,460 --> 00:01:03,679 which is a really honorable goal 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,869 to achieve, why it's broken 21 00:01:05,870 --> 00:01:07,939 by technical specifications and why 22 00:01:07,940 --> 00:01:09,829 this introduction is no longer friendly 23 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:12,139 compared to what we thought about 24 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:13,140 it in May. 25 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:17,389 So to come to the overview of the talk 26 00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:19,219 I've heard is going to present the idea 27 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:20,599 behind Wi-Fi for you. 28 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:24,379 The plan that the European Commission had 29 00:01:24,380 --> 00:01:26,989 was implementing Wi-Fi for you. 30 00:01:26,990 --> 00:01:28,310 Why it actually matters. 31 00:01:29,450 --> 00:01:31,309 13 ways all this went wrong. 32 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:34,579 What has been done? 33 00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:35,630 What can be done 34 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:37,909 and the sources? 35 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:39,529 I have to back up my claims. 36 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:42,889 Spoiler alert there's a joke with the 37 00:01:42,890 --> 00:01:43,890 sources. 38 00:01:44,570 --> 00:01:45,980 OK, so what's the idea? 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,059 Europe or the European Union 40 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:52,039 is one of the biggest political behemoths 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,109 we have in the world, and they're 42 00:01:54,110 --> 00:01:55,610 doing long term strategies. 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,659 The Europe 2020 strategy is what Europe 44 00:01:59,660 --> 00:02:02,059 aims to achieve by 2020. 45 00:02:02,060 --> 00:02:03,769 From the viewpoint of 2010, 46 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:06,859 they want to bring employment to a level 47 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:09,079 of 75 percent of the people aged 48 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,250 20 to 64. 49 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:14,119 They want to reach a research 50 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,159 and development goal that is three 51 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,659 percent of euros GDP 52 00:02:18,890 --> 00:02:20,960 that is supposed to be invested in R&D. 53 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,229 They want a climate and 54 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:26,449 energy change, which greenhouse 55 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:28,789 gas emissions cut to 20 percent 56 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:30,739 lower than 1990. 57 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:32,569 20 percent of their energy is supposed to 58 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:34,449 come from renewables and 20 percent 59 00:02:34,450 --> 00:02:35,990 decrease in energy efficiency. 60 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:39,829 And they want to get the rates of early 61 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:42,199 school leavers below 10 percent 62 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,209 and at least 30 percent of the people 63 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:46,489 between 30 and 35 for, 64 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:48,229 I suppose, to have completed higher 65 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:49,669 education. 66 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:51,139 Now this is pretty boring, and you 67 00:02:51,140 --> 00:02:53,239 probably wonder yourselves why the focus 68 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,789 is boring, as was the US strategy. 69 00:02:55,790 --> 00:02:57,919 Well, poverty and 70 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,229 social exclusion also plays a role, 71 00:03:00,230 --> 00:03:02,749 and at least 20 million fewer people 72 00:03:02,750 --> 00:03:04,729 are supposed to be in or at risk of 73 00:03:04,730 --> 00:03:06,169 poverty and social exclusion. 74 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,649 And since we're living in the year 75 00:03:09,650 --> 00:03:10,909 2018, 76 00:03:12,590 --> 00:03:14,869 the solution to all those problems is 77 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:16,519 at least partially supposed to be 78 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,520 digital. 79 00:03:18,140 --> 00:03:19,939 The idea is to introduce something like a 80 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:22,129 digital single market 81 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:22,339 by 82 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:25,009 phone for a use part of this program. 83 00:03:25,010 --> 00:03:27,139 The Digital Single Market 84 00:03:27,140 --> 00:03:27,379 is 85 00:03:27,380 --> 00:03:29,209 basically trying to implement the four 86 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:30,799 freedoms that we know from the single 87 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,869 market of the European Union, 88 00:03:32,870 --> 00:03:35,869 the free exchange of goods of capital, 89 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:38,449 of services and of labor, 90 00:03:38,450 --> 00:03:39,470 and the digital way. 91 00:03:41,810 --> 00:03:43,909 So far, the digital market is a strategy 92 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:46,069 program that is running from 2015 to 93 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:47,070 2020. 94 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:50,389 It has 14 legislative proposals which 95 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:52,400 have heavily impacted our everyday lives. 96 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:57,079 In May 2016, everything went 97 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,149 off to a good start and blocking has been 98 00:03:59,150 --> 00:04:00,949 disabled. Most of you might be enjoying 99 00:04:00,950 --> 00:04:01,950 that. 100 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,629 In 2016, ideas has been 101 00:04:05,630 --> 00:04:07,609 introduced, which is basically a standard 102 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:09,559 for secure protocols between the European 103 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,459 Union member states. 104 00:04:10,460 --> 00:04:12,559 And I'm not sure if you're into 105 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,659 it security. But if you are, I'm told the 106 00:04:14,660 --> 00:04:15,660 people like it. 107 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:20,449 Something that most of us make right is 108 00:04:20,450 --> 00:04:22,729 that the European Union has abolished 109 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:24,769 roaming charges by 2017 110 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:28,369 in March 2018 by far. 111 00:04:28,370 --> 00:04:30,410 You were supposed to follow as a program 112 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,129 which is supposed to provide 113 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:35,929 Wi-Fi for you, then the networks will be 114 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:37,759 free of charge, free of advertising and 115 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,080 free of personal data use. 116 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:41,239 That was amazing. 117 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:44,119 Yeah. And then somehow somewhere 118 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,769 something went terribly wrong. 119 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:50,389 Before that, the last victory, we got the 120 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:52,459 GDPR, which some might find 121 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:54,769 annoying, but it is basically 122 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:57,049 standardizing the use of personal 123 00:04:57,050 --> 00:04:58,699 data in the digital market space of the 124 00:04:58,700 --> 00:04:59,700 European Union. 125 00:05:01,460 --> 00:05:02,690 And yeah, 126 00:05:03,950 --> 00:05:05,749 then started September and the Copyright 127 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:07,339 Directive came. 128 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:08,779 Some people might have heard the names 129 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:10,549 linked tax and censorship machines. 130 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:13,759 If you want more information about that, 131 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,769 you could contact the office of your 132 00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:17,869 reader, the only member 133 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:19,459 of the European Parliament on a Pirate 134 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:20,460 Party take up. 135 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:24,229 And I'm not sure if you noticed early 136 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:26,569 this December we got 137 00:05:26,570 --> 00:05:28,159 the Evidence Proclamation. 138 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,229 The evidence proclamation 139 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:32,389 is the new set of rules that 140 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:33,709 is going to allow 141 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:37,189 law enforcement across borders in 142 00:05:37,190 --> 00:05:38,419 the digital realm. 143 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:39,679 What could go 144 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:40,680 wrong? 145 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:43,579 So how did this start? 146 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,959 This program was announced by Jean-Claude 147 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,789 Juncker, the president of the European 148 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:50,739 Commission, and he basically claimed that 149 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:52,689 everyone benefiting from connectivity 150 00:05:52,690 --> 00:05:54,459 means that it should not matter where you 151 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:56,349 live or how much you earn. 152 00:05:56,350 --> 00:05:58,089 So we propose today to equip every 153 00:05:58,090 --> 00:06:00,219 European village and every city with 154 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:02,319 free wireless internet access 155 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,479 around the main centers of public life by 156 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,480 2020. 157 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:08,289 That sounds amazing. 158 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:10,149 People like I love the idea. 159 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,389 There was even some icing on the cake. 160 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:15,969 If I felt free, you found it. 161 00:06:15,970 --> 00:06:18,159 Networks will be free of charge, free of 162 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,959 advertising and free of personal data 163 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:20,960 use. 164 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:23,679 At this point, some people actually 165 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,719 discussed to ask the guy to become 166 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,579 honorary member of the defunct movement 167 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:28,990 just because we liked it so much 168 00:06:30,370 --> 00:06:32,499 and because, well, we're a little digital 169 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:33,579 hippies. 170 00:06:33,580 --> 00:06:35,500 Money is far and few between. 171 00:06:36,850 --> 00:06:38,019 This guy has other means. 172 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,849 He decided that he wanted to implement 173 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:42,699 this as a European Union wide standard. 174 00:06:44,410 --> 00:06:46,119 Well, how does the European Union do 175 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,120 that? 176 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:49,089 They can either use a carrot 177 00:06:50,860 --> 00:06:51,860 or a stick. 178 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:55,449 Since not all people are rabbits and 179 00:06:55,450 --> 00:06:58,599 sticks are kind of forbidden 180 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,339 and the European Union, you don't pay 181 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:01,359 people to do things 182 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,749 they usually use the next best thing, 183 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:05,750 which is money. 184 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:09,609 Well, how 185 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:10,990 how can we use the money to do that? 186 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:14,829 You decide that you want to spend €100 187 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:16,809 million on it because the European Union 188 00:07:16,810 --> 00:07:18,220 and you have a ton of money. 189 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,029 You decide that you want to have 190 00:07:22,030 --> 00:07:24,369 8000 municipalities that are supposed 191 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:26,679 to install before for you, and you 192 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,149 decide that you're going to give every 193 00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:30,399 municipality that is going to do 194 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,589 verify for you will earn fifteen thousand 195 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:33,590 euros. 196 00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:37,269 You decide that you will spend 197 00:07:37,270 --> 00:07:38,649 this money and five 198 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:39,650 calls 199 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:41,919 and you will start the first call them 200 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,240 May 2018. 201 00:07:45,010 --> 00:07:46,689 This is not intended to finance the 202 00:07:46,690 --> 00:07:47,829 entire installation 203 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,129 and the extra money for keeping. 204 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:52,689 It's just extra money for keeping the 205 00:07:52,690 --> 00:07:53,449 video for you. 206 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:54,450 Standard 207 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:56,589 Life where 208 00:07:56,590 --> 00:07:57,849 you'll find it. That works. 209 00:07:57,850 --> 00:07:59,319 Actually, it will be free of charge, free 210 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,299 of advertising and free of personal data 211 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:02,919 usage. Somehow, you might want to 212 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,079 compensate the poor towns and cities for 213 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,600 the monetary losses there suffering. 214 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,469 Well, and if you look at 215 00:08:11,470 --> 00:08:13,659 the legislation that was given 216 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:15,789 out and they also identified 217 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:18,099 something that was at least 218 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:19,989 two people in the fashion community, a 219 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:21,920 huge surprise and made them very happy. 220 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:25,929 They identified security and data 221 00:08:25,930 --> 00:08:28,329 protection risks and 222 00:08:28,330 --> 00:08:30,519 within the legal wording, it said 223 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,899 that the scheme will ensure full 224 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:33,399 protection of personal data and 225 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,259 sufficient level of identification to 226 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:36,399 ensure user friendliness 227 00:08:37,870 --> 00:08:39,579 of the connection at the access point 228 00:08:39,580 --> 00:08:40,580 level. 229 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,869 I'm not sure how many of you are familiar 230 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:45,940 with it security of mobile devices, 231 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,080 but reading that 232 00:08:50,050 --> 00:08:52,269 made us very happy 233 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:54,669 because it meant that they had understood 234 00:08:54,670 --> 00:08:56,139 the problem that we are not able to 235 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:58,389 address. And I forget, which means 236 00:08:58,390 --> 00:08:59,979 that the network has to authenticate 237 00:08:59,980 --> 00:09:01,059 itself to the user. 238 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:03,609 So we thought, yes, network 239 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:04,610 authentication, 240 00:09:05,740 --> 00:09:07,809 because one or two 241 00:09:07,810 --> 00:09:09,459 of you might remember Black Hat 242 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:11,679 conferences, other things were, 243 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,229 for example, I assume I catchers 244 00:09:14,230 --> 00:09:15,699 have been installed by Firebase. 245 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:17,889 Someone set up a honeypot and got 246 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:19,599 all your personal information from 247 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,600 your 248 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:23,079 from your pin. That's not the best thing 249 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,279 you want to happen. 250 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,450 So we were very positive. 251 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:29,409 We thought that this really mattered 252 00:09:29,410 --> 00:09:30,969 because you were standards have normative 253 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:33,099 effects, as you could see by 254 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:34,929 the other programs. 255 00:09:34,930 --> 00:09:36,220 Today we pay with euros, 256 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:37,509 the 257 00:09:37,510 --> 00:09:39,609 GDP respawn data protection laws in 258 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:41,309 China, Brazil and California. 259 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:45,279 Actually, the Deutsche Telekom is using 260 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,469 EU regulation to fight 261 00:09:47,470 --> 00:09:50,319 the so-called forgotten spy, something we 262 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,330 have learned to love and hate in Germany. 263 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,209 And this is just the beginning of the 264 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:58,239 video for your project, because when the 265 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,819 project runs successfully, the European 266 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:02,469 Union usually keeps running it in a 267 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:03,730 hundred twenty million euro. 268 00:10:04,810 --> 00:10:06,759 Ah, not that much by European Union 269 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:07,760 standards. 270 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Yeah. 271 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:12,399 And now we come to a certain ways where 272 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,400 it went wrong. 273 00:10:15,130 --> 00:10:16,750 Security and data protection risk, 274 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:20,739 they had that in there. 275 00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:21,740 Everybody was happy. 276 00:10:23,050 --> 00:10:24,969 They put out a press release that said 277 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:26,799 that everything is going to be fine. 278 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,039 And then they announced that they're 279 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,019 going to have the first call on the 15th 280 00:10:32,020 --> 00:10:33,020 of May. 281 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:36,250 They're going to hand out 10000 vouchers. 282 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,729 They're going to spend roughly 50 million 283 00:10:39,730 --> 00:10:41,140 euros. That's not too much 284 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:43,599 money for the European. 285 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,939 Union, that's basically a 286 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:48,249 prototype thing for running the program, 287 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:49,749 you 288 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:51,309 know, and then things went haywire 289 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:56,679 on the 25th of April 2018. 290 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,989 The technical specs that were supposed 291 00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:01,179 to be installed were 292 00:11:01,180 --> 00:11:02,590 given out for the first time 293 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:06,009 within those technical specs. 294 00:11:06,010 --> 00:11:08,229 Partially, it was 295 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:10,359 mentioned that from 296 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,489 2019 onwards, there's supposed 297 00:11:12,490 --> 00:11:15,189 to be a common authentication platform 298 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:15,729 for every 299 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:17,289 Wi-Fi free you hotspot. 300 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:20,169 I'm not entirely sure who will use 301 00:11:20,170 --> 00:11:22,419 creeped out yet, but 302 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:24,279 let's start why and where this is a 303 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,280 really bad idea. 304 00:11:26,590 --> 00:11:28,899 First of all, there's this GDPR thing. 305 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:30,609 It says that we're not allowed to gather 306 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:31,960 data that we don't need. 307 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:35,319 There's no need for any kind of 308 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,569 identification to use a simple wireless 309 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:39,639 access iPhone because proving this on 310 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:40,640 a daily basis. 311 00:11:41,770 --> 00:11:43,989 And if you want to come 312 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:46,059 around with there's ID 313 00:11:46,060 --> 00:11:47,919 needed for e-government services, you can 314 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,199 do that as you do with every Vipshop 315 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,339 you authenticate yourself. 316 00:11:51,340 --> 00:11:52,869 If you want to do something otherwise, 317 00:11:52,870 --> 00:11:53,870 there's no need to. 318 00:11:55,780 --> 00:11:58,029 Fiscal responsibility is also a question. 319 00:11:58,030 --> 00:12:00,099 Even if you're the European Union 320 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:02,469 running a centralized ID server 321 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:04,689 for a population of 450 million euro, 322 00:12:04,690 --> 00:12:06,789 people in inner cities 323 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:09,009 is going to burn your radio 324 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:10,010 service to the ground. 325 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:13,089 With my from Afghan environmental and who 326 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:15,519 have been articulating this critique 327 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,889 of the program, we have up to 9000 328 00:12:17,890 --> 00:12:20,499 or 15000 daily users 329 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,209 and we are far and few between with our 330 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:23,210 hotspots 331 00:12:24,430 --> 00:12:26,019 setting up that kind of infrastructure is 332 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:27,220 going to cost a ton of money. 333 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:30,849 You could even ask if those are some kind 334 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:32,709 of hidden subsidies to larger firms 335 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:33,940 within the European Union 336 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,519 due to the fact that there are only a few 337 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,499 companies which can actually handle those 338 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:39,500 massive server loads, 339 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:44,109 especially since there are designated 340 00:12:44,110 --> 00:12:46,179 national identification services. 341 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,749 The next thing that basically jumps in 342 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:50,750 your face 343 00:12:51,340 --> 00:12:52,029 is 344 00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:54,219 what you would usually call a matter of 345 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:56,439 national security or union 346 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,519 security central. 347 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,109 You're talking about the entire European 348 00:12:59,110 --> 00:13:00,110 Union. 349 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:02,799 I'm not entirely sure how comfortable you 350 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,749 feel about the fact that this would imply 351 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:07,059 that there's somewhere a data trove 352 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:08,859 sitting around for someone to break it 353 00:13:08,860 --> 00:13:11,409 open and basically get 354 00:13:11,410 --> 00:13:13,659 the movement data of every European Union 355 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:14,660 citizen. 356 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:19,289 Of the nation he just cracked. 357 00:13:19,290 --> 00:13:20,460 That's just spooky. 358 00:13:21,510 --> 00:13:23,879 And those are not the bad parts. 359 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,989 They're still coming. It's getting 360 00:13:24,990 --> 00:13:25,990 better. 361 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:27,629 Oh, I'm 362 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:29,189 from an I.T. perspective, you have a 363 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:31,049 single point of failure. 364 00:13:31,050 --> 00:13:32,729 I'm not entirely sure why you would want 365 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:34,829 to do that to yourself. 366 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:36,989 But people also like 367 00:13:36,990 --> 00:13:38,399 to shoot themselves in the knee. 368 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:42,549 So those are five of the 13 promos waste. 369 00:13:42,550 --> 00:13:43,550 This went wrong 370 00:13:45,330 --> 00:13:47,520 in the 13th of April 2018. 371 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:51,299 The technical specifications part two are 372 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:53,069 released, and they are mention of the 373 00:13:53,070 --> 00:13:55,049 implementation of a captive portal. 374 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,679 Captive portals are things that we all 375 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,839 have come across to love and 376 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,249 hate about wireless access. 377 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:06,659 And those 378 00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:08,729 inhibit innovation because all kinds 379 00:14:08,730 --> 00:14:10,889 of IoT devices are basically blocked by 380 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:11,890 captive portals. 381 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,909 And if you want a general 382 00:14:14,910 --> 00:14:17,159 to lead Europe in the 21st century 383 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,169 and we build up a digital infrastructure 384 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:21,899 that's blocking IoT devices, 385 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:22,169 that 386 00:14:22,170 --> 00:14:23,820 might not be the way to go. 387 00:14:26,050 --> 00:14:28,509 Also, there's the question of digital 388 00:14:28,510 --> 00:14:29,619 inclusion. 389 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:31,719 I'm not sure if you ever try to use a 390 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,429 captive portal when you're broke one of 391 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:35,559 your hands or you 392 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,629 had the pleasure of assisting one of your 393 00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:39,729 grandparents working through 394 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:41,589 a captive portal where you don't know 395 00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:43,149 where you have to click and you have to 396 00:14:43,150 --> 00:14:45,039 make things bigger to actually hit the 397 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,479 button. 398 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,459 It's not really what we would call 399 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,049 accessibility. 400 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:52,119 I would like to remember you to the last 401 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,579 point where it came to the fact that the 402 00:14:54,580 --> 00:14:56,949 Europe 2020 agenda actually aims 403 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:59,379 for social inclusion and not social 404 00:14:59,380 --> 00:15:00,380 exclusion. 405 00:15:01,510 --> 00:15:03,579 Yeah. And also you kick a ton of 406 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:05,199 legacy devices. 407 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,179 I'm probably sure this is not a problem 408 00:15:07,180 --> 00:15:08,679 among the chaos people here, 409 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:10,209 but 410 00:15:10,210 --> 00:15:12,309 quite a few people have more than five 411 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:14,289 year old smartphones who still can handle 412 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:15,290 captive portals, 413 00:15:16,510 --> 00:15:18,309 and there is an intense security problem. 414 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:21,189 Anyone ever heard of the NSAC? 415 00:15:21,190 --> 00:15:22,190 Please show your hand. 416 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,779 Yeah, that doesn't really 417 00:15:25,780 --> 00:15:27,399 work well with captive portals. 418 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:31,719 So those are eight ways the thing 419 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:32,720 went wrong. 420 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:34,460 What's next? 421 00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:39,609 The innovation inhibition of IoT devices 422 00:15:39,610 --> 00:15:42,189 is not going to be fixed by VPA three, 423 00:15:42,190 --> 00:15:44,259 because most IoT devices are not 424 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:46,539 going to have the processing power 425 00:15:46,540 --> 00:15:48,219 to generate the random numbers that you 426 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:50,349 actually need to lock 427 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:51,469 in with WPA3. 428 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:53,619 So this is something that might 429 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:55,260 otherwise come up in the Q&A. 430 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:57,999 Yeah. 431 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,099 And then they talk about an 432 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:01,629 embedded snippet for a European 433 00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:04,059 Commission for monitoring actual 434 00:16:04,060 --> 00:16:07,149 functioning of the Wi-Fi for you network. 435 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:09,309 This means that with your mobile device, 436 00:16:09,310 --> 00:16:10,869 you have to actually allow the access 437 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:13,479 point to run a little bit of JavaScript 438 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,489 that actually allows him to monitor your 439 00:16:15,490 --> 00:16:16,490 usage. 440 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:18,429 How could that go wrong? 441 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:22,719 Well, it's basically a potential backdoor 442 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,849 into the access points which are standing 443 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:27,039 around, and that allows to gather 444 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,119 the user data. 445 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,580 Java is known for having security issues. 446 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,569 And since you 447 00:16:34,570 --> 00:16:36,579 don't really have physical control of 448 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:38,859 wireless access points, which you set 449 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:41,499 up with in the public domain, 450 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,449 implementing a software that is 451 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:45,039 vulnerable 452 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:45,339 by 453 00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:47,499 design is opening up 454 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:49,119 the access points to all kinds of 455 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,120 attacks. 456 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:53,229 So those are nine ways this goes sideways 457 00:16:54,340 --> 00:16:55,340 for more to come. 458 00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:58,899 And the next thing 459 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:00,070 is kind of fun. Perhaps 460 00:17:01,210 --> 00:17:02,799 that makes complete sense to actually 461 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,358 label 462 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:04,539 the 463 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,068 SSD v5 for you. 464 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:08,289 No one would disagree with that, but 465 00:17:08,290 --> 00:17:10,489 without any form of identification and 466 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:11,890 was planned Java setup 467 00:17:13,780 --> 00:17:13,959 you 468 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,909 would basically democratize had him 469 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:18,338 because setting up a honeypot 470 00:17:18,339 --> 00:17:20,769 together, metadata of users just walking 471 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:22,779 by and saying, Oh, that's a buffer for us 472 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,759 inside, and there's no authentication. 473 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,828 So I just going to use it and I'm not 474 00:17:26,829 --> 00:17:29,079 going to even notice if 475 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,179 I'm fooled as 476 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,470 well. It's just too easy. 477 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,010 Well, those are 10 478 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:38,180 times more to come, 479 00:17:39,820 --> 00:17:40,959 and 480 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,609 the week before the first call should 481 00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:44,319 have gone live. 482 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,479 They also added the specification 483 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,480 that 484 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:50,799 the setup access points had to comply 485 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,210 with Hotspot 2.0. 486 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:54,999 This is a proprietary standard, 487 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:00,219 and it's not really fun because first 488 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:02,679 of all, Hotspot 2.0 actually 489 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,499 allows you to access Yosemite, 490 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:07,389 and I really don't see any reason why a 491 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,819 wireless hotspot driven in a public 492 00:18:09,820 --> 00:18:10,929 space should know. 493 00:18:10,930 --> 00:18:11,930 I assume I be. 494 00:18:12,790 --> 00:18:14,259 I'm not entirely sure about you, 495 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:16,959 but there's no reason for that. 496 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,059 OK, Hotspot 2.0 actually helps 497 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:20,859 you to get around captive portals and 498 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:22,779 makes us more comfortable to use a 499 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:24,909 wireless if you 500 00:18:24,910 --> 00:18:26,499 have a captive portal in the first place. 501 00:18:27,790 --> 00:18:28,790 You don't need that. 502 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:31,359 If you've got the captive portal, you can 503 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,489 up the Hotpoint Hotspot 2.0 and 504 00:18:33,490 --> 00:18:35,259 its auto connect at your home. 505 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:36,939 Can auto connect without anything like 506 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:37,940 that? 507 00:18:38,740 --> 00:18:40,539 Yeah, and there is again, the hidden 508 00:18:40,540 --> 00:18:41,709 subsidies stuff. 509 00:18:41,710 --> 00:18:43,719 This is a bit more subtle and it's a more 510 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,369 complicated point. 511 00:18:45,370 --> 00:18:47,880 I'll try to bring it home gently. 512 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,929 Hotspot 2.0 allows for so-called 513 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:55,149 connection roaming, which 514 00:18:55,150 --> 00:18:57,549 basically means that you 515 00:18:57,550 --> 00:18:59,649 can steer traffic between the connection 516 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:03,039 connection types off your mobile device, 517 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,569 between the wireless channel and the 518 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:06,519 mobile channel, and the Bluetooth on the 519 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,679 NFC and the LTE and the G5 520 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,680 and all those. 521 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,059 Well, I I 522 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:13,959 would 523 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,430 dare to make a conjecture. 524 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,679 Because Hotspot 2.0 is proprietary, 525 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,269 we don't really know how this is going to 526 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:24,490 be handled on our a device 527 00:19:26,110 --> 00:19:28,189 or mobile traffic, is 528 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:29,859 it more expensive 529 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,589 than wireless traffic? 530 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:36,519 So if you actually 531 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,169 buy your cell phone from your mobile 532 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:40,449 provider and 533 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:41,979 you don't actually hack your cell phone 534 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:44,379 yourself and set up a OS on it, like 535 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:46,599 most of you might do, Hotspot 536 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,879 2.0 could actually use to pass 537 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,129 traffic from the mobile data streams 538 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:52,390 to wireless data streams. 539 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:55,749 So a wireless 540 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:57,819 network in that way might be seen as 541 00:19:57,820 --> 00:19:59,439 subsidized to mobile providers, 542 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,599 especially in inner cities 543 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,289 were 544 00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:04,639 generating good mobile coverage. 545 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,969 This is really, really inexpensive, 546 00:20:06,970 --> 00:20:09,599 and it's a really competitive market 547 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,619 and I think easier to have the big mobile 548 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:13,419 companies by just setting up a wireless 549 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:15,639 network that basically takes 550 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,640 out a bit of the heat, 551 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,510 if you like that. 552 00:20:21,310 --> 00:20:23,079 So, yeah, you basically would start to 553 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,670 subsidize mobile service providers. 554 00:20:26,290 --> 00:20:27,849 What's next? 555 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:29,439 There's inclusion problem. 556 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,909 Hey, another one 557 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,549 Hotspot 2.0 allows to circumvent 558 00:20:34,550 --> 00:20:36,250 the captive portal. As mentioned earlier 559 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:38,079 and 560 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,909 start a state of the art smartphones 561 00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:42,460 actually are compatible to Hotspot 2.0. 562 00:20:43,570 --> 00:20:45,609 So what you basically get is that poor 563 00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:47,259 people get captive portals on their 564 00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:49,539 legacy devices and 565 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:50,529 rich people. 566 00:20:50,530 --> 00:20:52,629 Well, they got auto connectivity for you 567 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:54,219 without even noticing it. 568 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:55,599 I'm not entirely sure which one you 569 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,669 prefer, but both 570 00:20:57,670 --> 00:20:58,670 aren't that nice. 571 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,219 So we have to deepen our compliance 572 00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:04,979 problems. We have fiscal responsibility, 573 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:08,049 knee problems, we have heavy substations, 574 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:08,349 we 575 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:10,539 have national security issues, we 576 00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:12,829 have inhibition of innovation, 577 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:14,889 we have inclusion problems and 578 00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:16,209 we have three kinds of I.T. 579 00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:17,210 security problems. 580 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:20,439 That is, 12 ones 581 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,440 that went wrong. 582 00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:24,729 Well, number 13 is going to be 583 00:21:24,730 --> 00:21:25,989 a killer, but it's going to take us a 584 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:26,990 moment to get there. 585 00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:28,790 What happened next? 586 00:21:29,890 --> 00:21:32,319 On the 15th of May 2018, 587 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,640 the first call went life, 588 00:21:34,990 --> 00:21:35,739 and 589 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:36,740 the people in charge 590 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,209 obviously showed the technical 591 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:42,339 skills the home page broke 592 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:43,340 down. 593 00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:45,849 There were too many municipalities trying 594 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:48,069 to apply for those wonderful vouchers. 595 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:49,900 Sweet, sweet European Union money 596 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,689 now in 597 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:54,909 the 14th of June, there came 598 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:56,979 out in a press release that 599 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:58,299 the call has been canceled. 600 00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:01,389 Also, we have been in touch with the 601 00:22:01,390 --> 00:22:02,589 people and they decided 602 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:05,559 that they are going to hold an open 603 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,989 market consultation until the 5th 604 00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:08,990 of October, 605 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,609 six days after the open market 606 00:22:12,610 --> 00:22:14,379 consultation, where basically European 607 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:16,569 Union asks the market what are applicable 608 00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:17,619 solutions. 609 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:18,939 They decided that they're going to stick 610 00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:19,989 with the original idea. 611 00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:24,369 And they announced a second call for the 612 00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:26,019 seven to nine, 12 November 613 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:29,679 where they handed out 2800 614 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,809 vouchers because they had to 615 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:33,429 keep up spending with the money because 616 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:35,349 it's not too much time until 2020, 617 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,520 and 618 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:41,709 they basically started 619 00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:43,809 to spend 42 million 620 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:45,969 of taxpayers money with 621 00:22:45,970 --> 00:22:47,079 those wonderful technological 622 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,130 specifications attached 623 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:52,059 on the 7th of December. 624 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:53,920 The winners of the call are announced. 625 00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:58,139 Mm hmm. 626 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:00,379 Um, I call those 627 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,539 guys winners because 628 00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:04,369 on the 7th of December, something else 629 00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:05,370 also happened. 630 00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:08,059 As far as I know, there's going to be a 631 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:10,189 talk on this Congress or I 632 00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:11,659 hope at least a discussion about 633 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,169 the regulation on cross-border access 634 00:23:15,170 --> 00:23:17,359 to evidence 635 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,249 was agreed upon by the Council of the 636 00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:20,250 European Union. 637 00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:25,439 This is where it gets really, 638 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,059 really funny. 639 00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:28,709 Number 13 is going to be a lucky number 640 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,299 if you please bear with me for a minute. 641 00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:37,349 And we go to Civic's one on one. 642 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:39,449 The bedrock of our societies is a 643 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:41,729 separation of powers unto 644 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:43,739 the executive, the legislative and the 645 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:44,740 judicial branch. 646 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,819 Those together from the state. 647 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:49,289 And then there's those funny people who 648 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:50,549 actually form the economy. 649 00:23:51,870 --> 00:23:53,879 Usually some kind of company actually has 650 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,219 user data so far in Germany 651 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:58,589 and most other European states. 652 00:23:58,590 --> 00:24:00,539 If you want to access personal data, if a 653 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:02,789 citizen is, the executive 654 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:04,559 branch has to ask you to show brand 655 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,889 if they would please see why it's 656 00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:09,989 necessary to invite the privacy of that 657 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:10,990 citizen. 658 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:13,229 If the judicial branch then agrees to 659 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:15,149 actually tell the company that they have 660 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:16,470 to hand over the information 661 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:19,919 and then the information is handed to the 662 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,019 executive branch, that kind 663 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,219 of makes sense. 664 00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:24,539 It's not happy, but 665 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,969 it's nice that it's this way. 666 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:29,489 Also in Germany, we have strong laws 667 00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:31,439 governing what you can actually not get 668 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,389 from other people, for example, by German 669 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,609 law. The Alexa recording 670 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:37,709 from your living room where 671 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,689 you plot the murder of your aunt with 672 00:24:39,690 --> 00:24:41,969 your spouse is inadmissible in court. 673 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,349 Well, number 674 00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:48,389 13 is a bit more fun. 675 00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:50,549 It's trying to solve the issue that 676 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:52,619 you have if you have an 677 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,319 executive branch and state aid 678 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,329 that once information from a company 679 00:24:57,330 --> 00:24:59,669 instead of be sincere 680 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:01,109 and not in the same state 681 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:04,349 and would be hard to agree on the 682 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:06,819 judicial branch that would be in charge. 683 00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:08,819 Staff to be implemented, all this would 684 00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:09,820 be very hard. 685 00:25:11,550 --> 00:25:13,979 So what happens now is according 686 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:14,980 to evidence 687 00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:18,839 that the executive branch is 688 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,849 basically calling the company that has 689 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:21,900 the data they want to have. 690 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:24,960 Not bad so far. 691 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:27,989 And then, 692 00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:30,629 given the current state of affairs, 693 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:32,219 the company has to answer to the 694 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:33,630 executive branch directly 695 00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:40,260 within six hours. 696 00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:45,899 Just to get this together. 697 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,059 The European Union is rolling out a 698 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:51,119 verify program for public spaces, 699 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,949 which is aimed at small and medium 700 00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:54,480 enterprises to apply 701 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,049 to generate Wi-Fi coverage 702 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:00,119 in the public domain. 703 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,770 For every citizen walking around, 704 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:05,579 it's set up in the way that we wouldn't 705 00:26:05,580 --> 00:26:07,679 even realize or recognize when 706 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,089 we connect to the infrastructure 707 00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:10,090 seamlessly. 708 00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:11,980 And now 709 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:15,299 some police department somewhere in 710 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,789 Europe is able 711 00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:19,409 to track US citizens due to the 712 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:20,819 centralized identification 713 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,979 infrastructure, which basically 714 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:24,689 you tell them if their citizens are 715 00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:26,879 abroad and can then 716 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,959 call the local by phone for 717 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,439 your wife and for your provider 718 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,539 and ask them for 719 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:35,849 the movement of a citizen, 720 00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,069 they are trekking abroad. 721 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:39,240 I'm not entirely sure, 722 00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:42,010 but 723 00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:44,909 it's either time to refresh the memories 724 00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:46,499 of the European Commission about what the 725 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:47,640 DDR is about, 726 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,879 or remember that the first Congress was 727 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,880 in 1984. 728 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,069 At least we felt like 729 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:57,070 that. 730 00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:59,189 Yeah. 731 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:01,229 So this is what happened so far in the 732 00:27:01,230 --> 00:27:03,149 public domain, and everything of this is 733 00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:04,589 satisfied. 734 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,869 How does it happen that the little 735 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:08,279 man is standing in front of you 736 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:10,709 and 737 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:12,449 proclaims to be someone who knows about 738 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:15,029 all that from having 739 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:17,579 been involved in the topic since 2017? 740 00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:20,489 Actually, by far for you is what cracked 741 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:21,490 me into. 742 00:27:22,050 --> 00:27:23,699 Because I read about the program in 743 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:26,009 summer of 2017, and I was looking 744 00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:27,449 for people who might know if this is a 745 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:28,450 good idea 746 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,389 in November 2017. 747 00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:36,089 You wrote the first email to the European 748 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:38,189 Commission telling them that 749 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:39,329 the then 750 00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:41,849 used idea of ediyorum for everybody 751 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:44,309 also using a centralized authentication 752 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:46,349 infrastructure is not a good idea. 753 00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:49,979 We changed some emails, exchanged some 754 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:51,569 phone calls, and they told us that they 755 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,099 were very happy about our input and they 756 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,779 would come back to us. 757 00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:56,549 We were happy about things like, Wow, 758 00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:58,169 this is this is perfect. 759 00:27:58,170 --> 00:27:59,729 We just call them and tell them, Hey, 760 00:27:59,730 --> 00:28:01,169 this is a bad idea. They're like, Oh, 761 00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:02,219 thanks for the Apple, we're going to call 762 00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:03,220 you back. 763 00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:04,630 Well, they did 764 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:07,949 early April 2018, so 765 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:09,569 about six weeks before the call went 766 00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:11,819 online and they gave us 767 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:13,409 technical specifications, whether they 768 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:14,729 had under consideration. 769 00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:18,779 I remember that three of us, I think 770 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,130 my is here over there, 771 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:25,199 and Yannick worked through the night to 772 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,089 dig through those 20 pages of technical 773 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:29,220 specifications that they were considering 774 00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:33,209 and came up with something like 775 00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:35,489 an opinion, which basically 776 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:36,690 was Please don't do that. 777 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,009 This led to a wonderful text, 778 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:42,629 which is in German code. 779 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:44,199 But he also picked Miseducated one for 780 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,319 iPhone, which can be found on the home 781 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,320 page of iPhone gone. 782 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:51,749 They still went ahead and started 783 00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:52,919 publishing 784 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,179 the 785 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:55,589 technical specifications mentioned 786 00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:56,849 earlier. 787 00:28:56,850 --> 00:28:58,949 We then started to contact 788 00:28:58,950 --> 00:29:00,569 the members of the European Parliament 789 00:29:00,570 --> 00:29:03,299 that are basically responsible 790 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:04,300 for Artem 791 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,229 and Yulia, either because while 792 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,179 she is responsible for the internet 793 00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:11,180 right, 794 00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,329 those actually decided to write to the 795 00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:16,889 European Commission and told them to 796 00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:18,809 please listen to what we saying 797 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:21,910 and. 798 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,089 After the first call had been gone bust, 799 00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:29,569 there was a visit to Brussels 800 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:31,249 that was actually facilitated by the 801 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:32,929 Office of the Reader, where we talked to 802 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:35,269 the head of the unit, and he asked 803 00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:37,399 us to summarize all the problems we 804 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,400 saw and we did. 805 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,289 We felt very happy because we think that 806 00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:44,929 for a moment thought naivete 807 00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:45,930 naive as we were, 808 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,289 that we triggered the open market 809 00:29:48,290 --> 00:29:49,290 consultation. 810 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,369 We even participated in the open market 811 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:54,469 consultation and submitted material and 812 00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:56,569 input, and we sat to 813 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:58,519 a three hour telephone conference in the 814 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,520 middle of the day. 815 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,889 Well, all this didn't work. 816 00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:04,890 As you might remember. 817 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,459 So what do you do if you're a little 818 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:09,129 helpless person? 819 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:10,130 You take to Twitter, 820 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:13,429 for example, Jimmy Schulz, which 821 00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:15,499 is the head of the Commission for 822 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,779 the Digital Agenda of the Bundestag, was 823 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:19,369 tweeting about Wayfair for you and the 824 00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:22,009 fact that he was and thrilled about 825 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:23,929 the program taking off. 826 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:25,339 And we just mentioned that there might be 827 00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:27,380 tiny problems with the infrastructure 828 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:31,129 we might have used for clarifying 829 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:32,479 language. 830 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480 He actually jumped on it 831 00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:37,039 and said that he is going to ask around 832 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,040 about it. 833 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:41,179 He started to so-called skeptics and 834 00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:42,859 Fargo, which was some kind of form of 835 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:45,799 parliamentary inquiry to the community, 836 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,299 and asked them what they thought about 837 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,429 the video for your program, but wanted 838 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:50,719 to get him happily answered. 839 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,309 Well, the European Union usually knows 840 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,310 their shit. 841 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Yeah, or they don't. 842 00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:00,409 Also, Akeredolu's Hyde Park, 843 00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:02,929 which perhaps is around or at least 844 00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:05,149 visible at the Congress on Twitter, 845 00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:07,309 opened up to say that there is a meeting 846 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:09,439 of the commission 847 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,439 and the digital agenda. 848 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,379 And if any of us had any questions to 849 00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:14,569 ask, we should tell her. 850 00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:15,570 So we did. 851 00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:18,230 And she also asked 852 00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:21,649 the committee of the Digital Agenda, 853 00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:23,239 which is quite funny because 854 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:26,719 the GDPR officer of Germany 855 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,299 was sitting in front of this committee. 856 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:31,249 They had the question from. 857 00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:32,869 They had had the question from Tammy 858 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:35,359 Schwartz beforehand about why far for you 859 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,799 and I still didn't know anything about 860 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,899 the program and they will get back to 861 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:39,900 her. 862 00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:42,799 Well, we haven't heard back 863 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,959 yet, but that's just two 864 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,609 weeks ago and there was Christmas. 865 00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:49,729 But what also happened and that 866 00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:51,829 is basically the finalization of one and 867 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:52,830 a half years of work. 868 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:56,209 On the 14th of December, Jimmy 869 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:58,399 Schultz decided to write 870 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,319 an open letter to unable to tell you 871 00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:04,009 who is the European data protection 872 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:05,010 officer, 873 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:07,789 and it's an open letter, so it's going to 874 00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:09,169 be fun to see what comes from that. 875 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,149 At this point, I think it's fair to 876 00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:15,559 mention that I'm not a member of any 877 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,719 political party in Germany, but I'm 878 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,549 just happy if politicians actually answer 879 00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:20,869 if you write them angry emails. 880 00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:23,870 Um yeah. 881 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:27,949 Now the big question is what can be done? 882 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:29,149 This is what has been done. 883 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:33,589 You could write your member of the 884 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:36,169 European Parliament and sort of 37. 885 00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:37,069 You can actually check 886 00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:38,359 out 887 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,429 who is the European Parliament member who 888 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:42,499 is responsible for you. 889 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,059 This also goes to the people from the 890 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:45,060 internet. 891 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,779 Just check out 892 00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:49,939 and write them and ask them questions 893 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:51,169 about why fight for you? 894 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:53,389 All the sources are in the background of 895 00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:54,889 this presentation, and it will be loaded 896 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:55,890 up afterwards. 897 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,629 You could take out of your town is a 898 00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:00,630 winner, 899 00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:03,019 and if it is, 900 00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:04,879 you might actually out yourself to your 901 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,159 local politicians that you're a person 902 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,469 who's capable of entertaining 903 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:11,599 the technical difficulties 904 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:11,839 and 905 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,269 tell them that they're about to 906 00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:16,669 force a 1984 907 00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:18,949 esque observation infrastructure down 908 00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:19,950 their citizens throats. 909 00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:22,579 They might actually be very happy because 910 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,069 I'm quite sure that most small towns 911 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:26,719 and cities cannot afford I.T. 912 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,999 specialists to check 913 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,069 for PR compliance of a European 914 00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:32,719 Union program. They usually would just 915 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,069 assume it's going to work out well. 916 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,249 You could write to the European 917 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:39,289 Commission. They actually have a website 918 00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:40,909 where you can put in feedback to the 919 00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:43,009 program, so please look at the 920 00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:44,869 technical specifications, take out all 921 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:46,309 the other standards. 922 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:48,619 See if you actually know a that can 923 00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:50,749 host five 50 clients and only 924 00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:51,860 has to buy to my mom 925 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:53,599 and 926 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,009 write them their opinion. 927 00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:56,839 Every letter makes them more happy. 928 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,840 I guarantee you that. 929 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,109 As a European Union, 930 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,869 I'm not sure if anyone here knows 931 00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:06,269 organisms, but there 932 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:08,399 is something like fighting not just on 933 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,019 the European Union level where you 934 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:12,779 basically can ask the European Union 935 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:15,569 if they would please be so kind to 936 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:17,039 evaluate on their thinking, 937 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:21,388 since those are official inquiries 938 00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:23,189 which those people have to answer. 939 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,638 You are limited in the amount of 940 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,769 questions which you supposed to submit as 941 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:29,770 a regular citizen. 942 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,019 I'm I'm out of questions, 943 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:35,999 so if any of you could take over, I'd be 944 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 glad 945 00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:40,229 I'm 946 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:41,669 one could consider formulating a 947 00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:42,569 petition. 948 00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:44,579 If anyone has free time and likes to read 949 00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:46,888 petitions within the next few days, 950 00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:47,889 we could do that. 951 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:51,269 Or you could join the discussion how 952 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:52,829 to actually build a desirable 953 00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:54,629 infrastructure and be constructive in the 954 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:56,879 discussion and make a proposal 955 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,989 to the European Commission. 956 00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:59,889 What the technical specifications of life 957 00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:01,649 have for you could actually look like 958 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,699 tomorrow. And the Open Infrastructure 959 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:06,769 Orbit and Hall two. 960 00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:12,129 There is a workshop about life 961 00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:13,650 for you and how to fix it. 962 00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:17,789 I'd be happy to see you join them 963 00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:19,409 either when you're here or if in the 964 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:21,570 internet, just drop me an email or tweet. 965 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:24,010 And 966 00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:27,929 I think now it's time for questions. 967 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,669 So for questions, we have two 968 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:39,529 microphones, there's a microphone over 969 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:41,539 there and there is a microphone over 970 00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:43,519 there and there's a microphone connected 971 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,419 to the internet. 972 00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:45,349 Way back there. 973 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:47,549 So I don't see 974 00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:48,559 your signal angel. 975 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,659 And that means no questions on the 976 00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:52,849 internet. I have an empty microphone over 977 00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:54,589 there and an empty microphone over there. 978 00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:56,659 So while you are formulating your 979 00:35:56,660 --> 00:35:58,729 questions, Greg, I 980 00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:59,809 have a question for you. Sure. 981 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:02,999 You mentioned that tomorrow there's the 982 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,519 session about coming up with what the 983 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,169 optimal solution looks like. 984 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:07,879 Do you already have an idea? 985 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,439 Ways that it could be improved? 986 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,589 I would very much like to 987 00:36:12,590 --> 00:36:15,169 see the network authenticate itself 988 00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:17,689 to the user and following a decentralized 989 00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:19,699 power to the user standard. 990 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:21,109 And I would be very happy if there 991 00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:23,329 wouldn't be a single point of failure 992 00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:26,059 that is implemented within our ID server. 993 00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:27,829 If you ever hear about any kind of major 994 00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:29,839 city where there's no mobile connection 995 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,879 at the moment, that's usually a radio 996 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,880 server that just died. 997 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,729 Those would be my my two first hopes. 998 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:39,889 And also just don't take personal data 999 00:36:39,890 --> 00:36:41,269 if you don't need it. 1000 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:42,800 I really like the DPR. 1001 00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:45,529 All right. It seems that we have someone 1002 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:47,599 standing at this microphone over here, 1003 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,729 so please loudly and close to 1004 00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:50,749 the microphone. 1005 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:52,340 Thank you very much for the presentation. 1006 00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:55,069 Tomorrow, we're going to look at how to 1007 00:36:55,070 --> 00:36:57,499 fix the mess that's been created. 1008 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,899 How do we avoid a similar 1009 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:01,339 similar mess in the future? 1010 00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:03,439 How do we get more tech knowledge 1011 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,359 into the EU institutions? 1012 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,030 So how do we fix this in advance? 1013 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,229 I guess be 1014 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,230 less naive. 1015 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:17,149 My mistake was that I wrote emails 1016 00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:19,309 to those people and they answered nicely, 1017 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,439 and usually if I write email to people 1018 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,969 and they answer me nicely, 1019 00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:26,719 I expect them that we have an 1020 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,409 understanding and if something takes 1021 00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:30,019 longer, they're just to stress or 1022 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31,020 something. 1023 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,239 I think you shouldn't fear to just 1024 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,279 escalate. The situation of stuff is not 1025 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,779 going your way. 1026 00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:40,879 Just contact the head of unit if someone 1027 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,009 is not answering to you 1028 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:45,229 and something I shied away from 1029 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:47,959 a lot because I'm used to 1030 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,069 work with people and trusting 1031 00:37:49,070 --> 00:37:50,779 relationships. It's not using the press 1032 00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:51,780 so far. 1033 00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:55,009 I think that might have helped a bit more 1034 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:57,379 if, especially after 1035 00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:59,479 the first call, we would have made the 1036 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,759 effort to sit down 1037 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,949 and basically write a big blog 1038 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:06,590 post and publicize it over our channels. 1039 00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:09,979 But we were still hoping for constructive 1040 00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:11,540 dialog, and I think that 1041 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:16,699 those the people on the other side are 1042 00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:17,700 pros, 1043 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:19,459 and 1044 00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:21,889 perhaps you should use some more elbows. 1045 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:24,800 Yeah, that's basically 1046 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,049 all right. 1047 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:28,129 We have a question from the other 1048 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:30,169 microphone in this direction. 1049 00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:33,259 I just wanted to say thanks for notifying 1050 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:34,279 the office of Jimmy Schultz. 1051 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,469 I'm I work there and 1052 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:36,649 we 1053 00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:38,359 would love to continue the 1054 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,429 cooperation and continue 1055 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:42,469 the work on a better wife for you 1056 00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:43,470 director there. 1057 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,789 Well, I'm sorry, we didn't know you. 1058 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,560 Thank you. 1059 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:51,469 We have a question now from the other 1060 00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:53,119 microphone. 1061 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,799 OK, hello. 1062 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,319 Is it ever more on 1063 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,329 the password Passport 2.0? 1064 00:38:59,330 --> 00:39:01,789 Is it a same as Epsom protocol? 1065 00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:04,339 I didn't understand that. 1066 00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:06,349 Would you speak into the microphone? 1067 00:39:06,350 --> 00:39:07,489 Get real close? 1068 00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:10,069 OK, so can you elaborate 1069 00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:12,529 more on the passport to royal protocol? 1070 00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:15,439 Is it same as ABC? 1071 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,629 Can you elaborate more on the 1072 00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:19,909 on the Passport 2.0 or 1073 00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:21,259 the Hotspot 2.0? 1074 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:22,260 Yes, this 1075 00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:24,210 I would love to. 1076 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,019 I think Daniel is somewhere around here 1077 00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:29,059 who gave a talk with me on the wireless 1078 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,769 community weekend about this issue. 1079 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:34,129 The point is that I don't have much 1080 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:35,959 information because it's a proprietary 1081 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,960 standard. 1082 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:41,239 We have a 1083 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:41,719 talk 1084 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,659 from the wireless community weekend 1085 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:46,759 in May where we looked at the 1086 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,979 Hotspot 2.0 standard and 1087 00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:50,899 checked some technical specifications we 1088 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,149 you would had to have from an open 1089 00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:54,139 source 1090 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:55,140 handling of it. 1091 00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:57,030 But 1092 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,219 the basic idea of Hotspot 2.0 1093 00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:02,220 is 1094 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,259 to 1095 00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,599 to get your mobile device 1096 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,889 more usable. 1097 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:07,999 It's supposed to 1098 00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:09,529 get 1099 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:11,479 rid of the harassment of captive portals. 1100 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,609 If you're actually authenticated, it's 1101 00:40:13,610 --> 00:40:16,309 supposed to enable connection roaming. 1102 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:18,529 It's basically what 1103 00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:20,899 you would call intelligent 1104 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:22,909 interaction between your mobile device 1105 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:23,910 and an access point. 1106 00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:26,989 And it's the first standard that 1107 00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:28,459 Assad has. 1108 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,199 As far as I understood it, the one of the 1109 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,419 first standards that is seeing 1110 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:35,509 your mobile device as a multichannel 1111 00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:37,759 object, whilst all the other 1112 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,489 eye Tripoli standards usually are either 1113 00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:41,209 5G 1114 00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,549 or Y or villain or other 1115 00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:45,319 mobile or LTE standards. 1116 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,689 This is the first standard that tries to 1117 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:49,159 connect the different ways of 1118 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,409 communicating with the outside world. 1119 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:55,819 That's basically all I can tell you. 1120 00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:57,079 OK, thank you. 1121 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,080 Sorry. 1122 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,889 From this microphone over here, I 1123 00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:02,359 fully understand it's a little bit 1124 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,309 closer, please. I fully understand it's a 1125 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:07,489 bit like David fighting Goliath. 1126 00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:09,889 Can you give us some background 1127 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:12,259 on the other purchasing part 1128 00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:14,989 participating parties in the consultation 1129 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,129 work? 1130 00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:18,379 So who who was the 1131 00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:20,059 the whole spectrum, the whole gamut of 1132 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,409 participants in that game? 1133 00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:24,009 I was about to come to that. 1134 00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:25,369 I just kind of jump ahead now. 1135 00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:29,539 So basically, I'm 1136 00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:31,579 one of the few extroverts within the 1137 00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:33,859 movement. So I won the gig of sending 1138 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,109 him the people who were 1139 00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:38,539 driving. This is Typekit McFarland, 1140 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:40,729 which is Germany's biggest five 1141 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:41,989 home community. They're right. 1142 00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:44,179 About 4500 access points have 1143 00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:46,939 15000 similar users and are 1144 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:48,229 pretty big in what they're doing. 1145 00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:51,109 Fuzzy leapfrog actually help with the 1146 00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:52,339 presentation and getting it 1147 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:53,340 understandable. 1148 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:56,119 The city of Akron is so nice to actually 1149 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,189 finance high from Aachen and thus 1150 00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:59,749 allows us to do all this useless 1151 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:01,339 political work because we don't have to 1152 00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:02,340 run after funding. 1153 00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:05,659 There is Yannick, who is also 1154 00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:07,879 a Libyan maintainer of Typekit, often who 1155 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,369 helped to basically dissect 1156 00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:12,349 any kind of captive portals. 1157 00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:13,629 Matter who. 1158 00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:15,849 Seems to still be sitting over there 1159 00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:18,459 helped a lot with tearing apart 1160 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,199 all the wireless standards and the 1161 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,389 connection standards, Daniel, 1162 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:24,309 which I don't see at the moment. 1163 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:26,379 He is probably over at 1164 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:28,269 the open infrastructure orbit. 1165 00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:30,429 Got a lot of input into Hotspot 1166 00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:32,169 2.0. 1167 00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:34,179 Andrea, still far from smartphone flying 1168 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,309 on Daniel is from 1169 00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:37,310 the 1170 00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:41,499 list from the leader development team 1171 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:42,969 and we are still far from far from being 1172 00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:45,369 on. Had some insights into 1173 00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:46,839 the mobile world 1174 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,129 and 1175 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:50,469 a language from far flung 1176 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:53,349 voice coaching, I think had some 1177 00:42:53,350 --> 00:42:55,539 input regarding some IP security issues. 1178 00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:58,149 So it has been a broad and long 1179 00:42:58,150 --> 00:43:00,129 discussion that has now amounted 1180 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:03,879 to whether 1181 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,279 helpful in answering your question or 1182 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,280 quick. 1183 00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:09,339 All right, we have a question from the 1184 00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:10,340 microphone to my right. 1185 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,249 If I do one to bring Wi-Fi to 1186 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,379 my local community, would you say I 1187 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:18,939 need to stop using 1188 00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:20,829 Wiper for a, you know, or say, any path 1189 00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:21,399 to 1190 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,469 some useful form 1191 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:24,470 of that program? 1192 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:27,789 One thing to finish answering your 1193 00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:30,499 question? Also, Monique of 1194 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:32,529 iPhone app needs to be mentioned because 1195 00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:34,030 she is the one who forced me to be here. 1196 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,229 So if I want to bring Wi-Fi to my local 1197 00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:39,609 networks, yeah, I work within the 1198 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:41,589 framework of Wi-Fi for you or is there 1199 00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:42,699 something else I should do? 1200 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,769 I would recommend to use something 1201 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:46,569 else at the moment. 1202 00:43:46,570 --> 00:43:47,019 I would be 1203 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:48,829 very, very, very happy to find a 1204 00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:51,219 municipality who actually is 1205 00:43:51,220 --> 00:43:54,219 willing to make a press announcement 1206 00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:54,609 that 1207 00:43:54,610 --> 00:43:56,859 they are refusing to use Wi-Fi 1208 00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:58,599 for you after what they have learned 1209 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,669 about it, especially given 1210 00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:02,799 the centralized ID infrastructure that 1211 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,979 is supposed to be implemented in 2019 1212 00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:06,699 in 1213 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,489 combination with the evidence problem. 1214 00:44:09,490 --> 00:44:12,489 And at the moment, 1215 00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:15,639 I would suggest finding the €15000 1216 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,019 somewhere else. 1217 00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:19,389 Thanks. Because it's 15000 euros, 1218 00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:22,149 but if you set up wireless, 15000 1219 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:23,739 euros is basically the cost of three 1220 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:24,740 routers. 1221 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:28,529 OK. 1222 00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:30,299 Let's give Goodyear a huge remembrance, 1223 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:32,069 the thank you so much for coming out and 1224 00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:34,079 telling us about life for you. 1225 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,080 Thank you. 1226 00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:39,269 Well, thanks for your time.