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If you are capable, please help us to create good quality subtitles: https://c3subtitles.de/talk/1366 Thanks! 1 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:21,829 SGI 0, which is 2 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:23,419 the next generation Internet. 3 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:25,789 A treasure trove of a T innovation. 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,749 A speaker will be Mikheil 5 00:00:30,750 --> 00:00:31,819 Li Na's. 6 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:33,679 He is. 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,269 He used to work for the Netherlands 8 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:36,889 Science Foundation for the Internet 9 00:00:36,890 --> 00:00:38,059 Society. 10 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:40,129 He is a W3 C 11 00:00:40,130 --> 00:00:42,799 liaison officer and 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,809 he wants to keep pushing the innovation 13 00:00:44,810 --> 00:00:47,119 of the Internet and move it into the next 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,049 generation. 15 00:00:48,050 --> 00:00:49,520 Please welcome him on stage. 16 00:00:54,670 --> 00:00:56,889 So I'm really happy that 17 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,569 all of you came out here on the fourth 18 00:00:58,570 --> 00:00:59,860 day, because I understand 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,009 after all these long nights, this is 20 00:01:03,010 --> 00:01:04,989 this is pushing it so 21 00:01:07,930 --> 00:01:09,580 so a quick 22 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:12,189 trip back in time. 23 00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:14,349 So this this room is named after 24 00:01:14,350 --> 00:01:16,299 a guy called Edgar Dykstra, who 60 years 25 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:18,159 ago published a policy speech. 26 00:01:19,390 --> 00:01:20,979 He was a foundational guy in computer 27 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:23,439 science. And he did this work, 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,749 the seminal work in this dude called CWA 29 00:01:25,750 --> 00:01:27,909 or at the time multiparty sent in 30 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:29,419 the Netherlands. 31 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:31,299 And I mean, the Association of Computing 32 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:32,949 Machinery said that no other individual 33 00:01:32,950 --> 00:01:35,429 has had a larger influence on researching 34 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:37,689 principles of distributed computing. 35 00:01:37,690 --> 00:01:39,849 So 30 years 36 00:01:39,850 --> 00:01:41,709 ago, the organization where I work 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,109 was founded. 38 00:01:44,110 --> 00:01:45,189 We became a foundation. 39 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:47,379 But before that, we operated 40 00:01:47,380 --> 00:01:48,999 for seven years at C.W. 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,039 Y in the Netherlands at the same place. 42 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,989 So these these people were really forward 43 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:55,329 looking and this is what it looked like. 44 00:01:55,330 --> 00:01:57,609 So people 45 00:01:57,610 --> 00:02:00,040 with long beards, big computers. 46 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,179 They just brought Unix to Europe and 47 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:05,169 they were playing with it. 48 00:02:05,170 --> 00:02:07,239 And a network of hackers and 49 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,549 volunteers basically hacked 50 00:02:09,550 --> 00:02:12,219 their way to to to to 51 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:14,229 what later became European Internet. 52 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:17,849 Now, at that time, just appreciate how 53 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:18,869 early that was. 54 00:02:18,870 --> 00:02:20,819 The Web was still a proposal. 55 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:23,429 It was still something that the manager 56 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:25,529 of Timber Annesley at at CERN called a 57 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:26,989 fake, but interesting. 58 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:29,149 And they gave him nine months of micro 59 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:31,379 grants to to work on it. 60 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:33,359 And obviously that the ideas at the time 61 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,579 were that that I mean, this is a 62 00:02:35,580 --> 00:02:37,439 representative quote, if you think 63 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,149 surfing hypertext is cool. 64 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:40,439 That's because you haven't tried writing. 65 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,449 It was very much the idea that we could 66 00:02:42,450 --> 00:02:43,519 make everything. 67 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,299 And obviously, that's not the future that 68 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:46,300 we got. 69 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:49,949 Tim earnestly himself when he got there, 70 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:52,529 the Turing Award and he said, 71 00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:54,509 which is that the like the Nobel Prize of 72 00:02:54,510 --> 00:02:56,959 computer science, he 73 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,489 said from utopia to dystopia 74 00:02:59,490 --> 00:03:01,139 in just twenty nine short years. 75 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:03,209 I mean, it's it's gone by amazingly 76 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:04,210 fast. But 77 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:06,910 if you read. 78 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:10,819 The optimism turned into despair. 79 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:12,889 Where were the guy who 80 00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:14,059 invented the Web says. 81 00:03:14,060 --> 00:03:16,609 This is a large scale emergent anti 82 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:18,169 human phenomenon. 83 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:20,659 That's for an optimist. 84 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:22,929 That is a those those are words that 85 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:25,039 that go to the heart and thanks to 86 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,279 the famously has said, 87 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,150 well. People don't need to remember 88 00:03:30,290 --> 00:03:31,909 much of what I did. 89 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:34,009 Only that he would 90 00:03:34,010 --> 00:03:35,359 appear as some side a sort of a 91 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,189 conscience of the sector. 92 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:39,349 So that ten years after his death, if 93 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:40,729 somebody would say dikes, I would have 94 00:03:40,730 --> 00:03:42,889 not would have not like this. 95 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:44,419 That was the kind of idea that he wanted 96 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:46,489 to exert to to to teach people how 97 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:48,080 to how to be good. 98 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:50,360 Computer scientists. 99 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:53,569 So we are in this broken situation, so 100 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:55,699 where do where do we go? 101 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:57,859 Well, quickly rewind back 102 00:03:57,860 --> 00:03:59,929 to 1997, because the the 103 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:02,449 the people that that funded 104 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:04,819 founded the Internet in the in Europe 105 00:04:04,820 --> 00:04:07,209 actually were not professional business 106 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:08,689 people. They were outsiders to industry. 107 00:04:08,690 --> 00:04:10,369 So they sold everything, put it into a 108 00:04:10,370 --> 00:04:12,740 trust fund and. 109 00:04:14,140 --> 00:04:15,859 Basically, they gave it to the Internet, 110 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:19,148 and that's the reason I'm here. 111 00:04:19,149 --> 00:04:21,189 The mechanism that we use this is micro 112 00:04:21,190 --> 00:04:22,869 grants. We give small amounts of people 113 00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:25,419 to two in it to independent people and 114 00:04:25,420 --> 00:04:27,759 allowed them to work for the Internet, 115 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,939 to work in the public interest. 116 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:31,239 And it's always open standards, open 117 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,240 source, open hardware. 118 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:35,649 So these are some of the projects 119 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:37,209 that we funded throughout the years. 120 00:04:38,950 --> 00:04:41,049 You may or may not know some of them, 121 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:43,449 but but it's it's a pretty nice 122 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:44,739 a pretty nice list. 123 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:46,659 And this is by far not all of it, because 124 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:48,849 many project don't even have a logo, 125 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:51,129 because that's the kind of 126 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:52,839 early work that that was funded. 127 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,869 Obviously, spending money is a is can be 128 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:58,969 a bit of a problem if you don't have 129 00:04:58,970 --> 00:05:00,819 infinite amounts. 130 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:03,019 So. So that's a challenge for us because 131 00:05:03,020 --> 00:05:04,879 we started giving away money and it 132 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,749 wasn't that much to begin with. 133 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:08,809 So luckily 134 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:11,329 we're seeing people pick it up and, uh, 135 00:05:11,330 --> 00:05:13,009 some of the people that receive grants 136 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:15,079 later make some money and they start 137 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,579 giving those races. There's a company, 138 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:18,979 security company radically open security 139 00:05:18,980 --> 00:05:20,989 where the employees collectively decided 140 00:05:20,990 --> 00:05:22,279 that they wanted to give all of the 141 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,109 profits. Pretty much all the profit to 142 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:25,339 us, at least 90 percent. 143 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:28,429 But so far, that's been an amazing 144 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:30,709 thing. And obviously, that's a sustained 145 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:32,449 potentially can become a sustainable 146 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:33,450 thing. So 147 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:37,999 luckily, two years ago, we ran into 148 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,679 something called the Next Generation 149 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,189 Internet Initiative. 150 00:05:41,190 --> 00:05:42,799 And that was a major windfall for us 151 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,930 because so far 152 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:48,319 public money on the Internet 153 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,839 was kind of wasted in 154 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,399 all senses of the word. 155 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,559 People would just write reports and then 156 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,940 fake projects would happen. 157 00:05:57,620 --> 00:05:59,879 So we we were early on, we we 158 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,399 helped to do this study 159 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:04,489 where we established a vision for this 160 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:05,929 whole initiative. 161 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:07,609 And interestingly enough, we published 162 00:06:07,610 --> 00:06:09,800 that last year when we saw the topics of 163 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:12,619 of this conference. 164 00:06:12,620 --> 00:06:14,779 We we hit two out of three in that 165 00:06:14,780 --> 00:06:16,429 report from last year. 166 00:06:16,430 --> 00:06:18,589 So we we also had resilience. 167 00:06:18,590 --> 00:06:20,719 We also had sustainability, but we added 168 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,059 trustworthiness that stayed the 169 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:25,160 the layer that we we wanted to have. 170 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:28,969 And so we defined those 171 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:30,769 that the higher level goals of the 172 00:06:30,770 --> 00:06:32,989 program. And then immediately after that, 173 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:34,609 the commission started handing out money. 174 00:06:34,610 --> 00:06:36,849 And obviously we were very lucky 175 00:06:36,850 --> 00:06:38,839 were consider ourselves to be 176 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:42,639 extremely blessed that that we got this 177 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,179 to of two of these programs, 178 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:46,969 because that will allow us not to write 179 00:06:46,970 --> 00:06:48,619 paper, but to actually support people. 180 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:51,599 And we brought a number of folks along 181 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,869 to to help us do that. 182 00:06:53,870 --> 00:06:55,939 I'm not gonna read them out all because 183 00:06:55,940 --> 00:06:57,050 you can look that up. 184 00:06:59,030 --> 00:07:01,219 But the reason I'm here is to talk about 185 00:07:01,220 --> 00:07:02,989 some of these amazing things, because 186 00:07:02,990 --> 00:07:04,699 they're they're all small projects. 187 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:08,129 And they. But but but. 188 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:09,659 Well, I guess we could fill a conference 189 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:11,549 there somehow. Hundred to twenty taxes at 190 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:12,479 this at this event. 191 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,860 We have 150 projects. 192 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:18,599 I'm gonna do a quick 193 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,669 version of them or attempt 194 00:07:20,670 --> 00:07:22,019 to do a quick version of them in the 195 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:24,149 next, uh, in the next 196 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:25,559 half hour. 197 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,560 So 198 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:28,829 we have two programs. 199 00:07:28,830 --> 00:07:30,299 One of them is called Private Entrusting 200 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:31,919 Arts Technology, and the other one is 201 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,929 called a search discovering discover 202 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:35,909 ability. And with that, you can actually 203 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:38,339 cover a lot of these grounds. 204 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:41,170 So 205 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,419 an apology of front. 206 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:46,289 I know there's people in the room and I 207 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:47,939 won't mention their project because I 208 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:49,799 have too many projects to mention and 209 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,579 it's just too complex to to do that. 210 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:53,789 And half an hour, I have 211 00:07:53,790 --> 00:07:56,249 something like 15 seconds per project, so 212 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:58,109 that would not make a lot of sense. 213 00:07:58,110 --> 00:07:59,939 And so if you know the project, like why 214 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:02,039 garden, then, you 215 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,289 know, you'd be happy that we support it, 216 00:08:04,290 --> 00:08:06,480 but you don't need to detail it. 217 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:11,259 So let me begin with Activity Pub. 218 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:12,939 So I'm going from the from the from the 219 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:15,129 from the bottom up to end 220 00:08:15,130 --> 00:08:17,319 that the more fundamental metal layer. 221 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,449 So to say the 222 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:21,669 activity pub is something that is 223 00:08:21,670 --> 00:08:24,279 it is a social networking protocol and 224 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,349 you may have seen it emerge 225 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:27,350 in different places. 226 00:08:29,140 --> 00:08:30,939 And the cool thing is, because of the 227 00:08:30,940 --> 00:08:32,408 money that we now have, we can actually 228 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:34,178 support all these smaller projects. 229 00:08:34,179 --> 00:08:36,489 So Pixel Fed, which 230 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:38,419 is trying to do to 231 00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:43,139 provide a sane alternative to, uh, 232 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:44,469 to photo sharing. 233 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:47,559 So the stuff that people do with 234 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,839 Facebook and with Instagram, 235 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,269 a funk. Well, is a personal music 236 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:54,459 server sprightly is a more 237 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:56,919 ambitious overall social network. 238 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,989 Project X Weeki is it is a 239 00:08:58,990 --> 00:09:00,849 well-known wiki and it's going to be 240 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:02,019 added to the Fed offers. 241 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:05,859 Opening in Gardena, is 242 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:07,919 it trying to connect 243 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,319 hyper local events so so 244 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,539 local music chapels, 245 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:14,669 concerts in the in the in 246 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:16,409 the library. 247 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:18,809 Small events and then make sure that all 248 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:21,089 this stuff isn't aggregated on a Facebook 249 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:23,519 or meetup that actually comes and stays 250 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,019 on the Web that people can actually get 251 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:27,059 these these events integrated. 252 00:09:27,060 --> 00:09:29,249 This course you may know as a as a a 253 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:30,689 community platform. 254 00:09:30,690 --> 00:09:32,859 And it's also being active activity 255 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:35,219 per base. So to say Libra 256 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:38,039 Past is trying to create 257 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,040 an alternative to 258 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,330 tools like Twitch. 259 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:44,809 By enabling multicast live streaming 260 00:09:44,810 --> 00:09:46,909 front from just a simple 261 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:49,329 device, the 262 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:51,289 The Picture Project, we aren't supporting 263 00:09:51,290 --> 00:09:53,339 them directly but would support 264 00:09:53,340 --> 00:09:54,799 supporting what will likely be the 265 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,279 largest deployment with over a 266 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,359 I don't know how many million hours 267 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,429 of content that they will put on 268 00:10:01,430 --> 00:10:03,559 building lights, the national 269 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,749 multimedia archive of the Netherlands. 270 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:07,969 And they will stress that testis and add 271 00:10:07,970 --> 00:10:11,189 all kinds of cool stuff about copyright, 272 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:13,789 open global content licenses, 273 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:15,100 subtitle search and so on. 274 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:18,319 Force Fed is a project 275 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,519 that rose from the 276 00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:24,379 sale of of GitHub to 277 00:10:24,380 --> 00:10:24,829 I. 278 00:10:24,830 --> 00:10:26,989 Well, it's it's sparked by a bi 279 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:29,809 by the sale of get up to Microsoft. 280 00:10:29,810 --> 00:10:31,489 But in general, the idea is that people 281 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:33,349 should be able to host their own software 282 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:35,749 and host their own issue trackers 283 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:37,249 and then to separate these, because 284 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:38,749 ultimately it's just a Web site. 285 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:41,150 So why can't we have these integrated 286 00:10:42,220 --> 00:10:44,389 set of her spaces, is trying to map 287 00:10:44,390 --> 00:10:47,359 out the whole set offers and 288 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,679 we'll make it possible for you to have a 289 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,049 look and see where you where you fit. 290 00:10:51,050 --> 00:10:52,789 If you don't want to host yourself 291 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:54,479 because, well, like in the real world 292 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,480 desert type, there's 293 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:59,749 room for pubs, there's rooms for hotels 294 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:01,669 and there's rooms for people's own house. 295 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:04,169 And if a Fed offers 296 00:11:04,170 --> 00:11:05,170 the same holds. 297 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:08,140 So for search. 298 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:12,399 I guess one of the founding projects is 299 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,299 circus. 300 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:14,799 I don't know if people have used that, 301 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,869 but it's it's a method search engine and 302 00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:18,939 it's trying to add the one 303 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:20,799 thing that Google will never be able to 304 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,450 do is to have private, 305 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:26,499 private resources that can stay private 306 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:28,659 and have to be integrated into 307 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:30,849 the single search box that we all use all 308 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:32,679 day because we're lazy people. 309 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:34,779 We don't want 20 search boxes, we 310 00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:36,879 only want one so that if you want 311 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,769 to have alternatives, that we need to be 312 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:41,049 able to to provide these these private 313 00:11:41,050 --> 00:11:42,909 search domains. So one of those domains 314 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:45,279 is mail pile, quite a well-known 315 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,280 mail server. 316 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,209 And next cloud is another one that is 317 00:11:49,210 --> 00:11:51,839 going to add with budget from us. 318 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,499 This is private integration 319 00:11:54,540 --> 00:11:55,689 with WebEx Rep. 320 00:11:55,690 --> 00:11:58,149 Paul Mees. Here is 321 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:59,769 a project that is going to help you 322 00:11:59,770 --> 00:12:01,510 understand where you're searching 323 00:12:02,710 --> 00:12:04,389 to not just click on the blue link and 324 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:05,859 then find out that there's a gazillion 325 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:08,199 trackers that are going to kick your ass 326 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,659 there, but actually show you up front, 327 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:12,129 because that's the kind of knowledge that 328 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:13,529 they're bringing together with the Web x 329 00:12:13,530 --> 00:12:14,559 ray project. 330 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,539 So you have a better understanding of 331 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:18,459 what traps lie behind the link, so to 332 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:19,509 say. 333 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:22,509 And the Green Web Foundation is 334 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:23,679 on a similar note. 335 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,989 It wants to reward people 336 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:27,819 that do good in terms of carbon 337 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:30,130 offsetting. So when people 338 00:12:31,150 --> 00:12:32,769 host a website with a green in a green 339 00:12:32,770 --> 00:12:34,839 data center, you can say, well, I'm 340 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,249 gonna have 60 million results. 341 00:12:36,250 --> 00:12:38,079 You're gonna show me 10 might not show me 342 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,209 10 that are hosted green. 343 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:41,949 And then you create an incentive for 344 00:12:41,950 --> 00:12:42,950 companies to 345 00:12:44,110 --> 00:12:45,970 to do the right thing. 346 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:49,419 And obviously, there's all kinds of 347 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:51,879 cool new technologies on the planet. 348 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,049 So such as the interplanetary fall 349 00:12:54,050 --> 00:12:56,259 system, which we are supporting 350 00:12:56,260 --> 00:12:58,449 with a search project. 351 00:12:58,450 --> 00:13:00,759 The DOT's Foundation is 352 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,979 trying to get to the death 353 00:13:02,980 --> 00:13:04,839 protocol into the private sphere so you 354 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,539 can host your own dot spaces 355 00:13:07,540 --> 00:13:08,540 and 356 00:13:10,330 --> 00:13:12,489 building a tool to to make those private 357 00:13:12,490 --> 00:13:14,559 repositories available to 358 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,749 sonar as a search engine that will look 359 00:13:16,750 --> 00:13:17,750 into those. 360 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:20,169 It's a German project that is looking 361 00:13:20,170 --> 00:13:22,659 into those that spaces. 362 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:24,879 So that will be an ideal combination 363 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,549 of public and private resources again. 364 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:29,749 And then there's an upcoming browser 365 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:31,969 called Next and they're trying to 366 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:34,219 create they're not 367 00:13:34,220 --> 00:13:35,839 satisfied with the state of the art in 368 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,969 terms of browsers where 369 00:13:37,970 --> 00:13:40,149 it's just pointing click and 370 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:41,329 you all you can use weight for. 371 00:13:41,330 --> 00:13:43,519 The thing to do to be more programmatic 372 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,289 should be more programable. 373 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:47,059 And on top of that, they're going to be 374 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:49,669 able to work with both that 375 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:51,289 IP address and zero net. 376 00:13:53,890 --> 00:13:56,799 And then there's more 377 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,109 cool search stuff for for poor private 378 00:13:59,110 --> 00:14:00,909 communities like. Like that transparency 379 00:14:00,910 --> 00:14:03,219 tool kit, like Mine Dove, 380 00:14:03,220 --> 00:14:05,439 which is a sort of a mixer that 381 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,869 allows you to to to mix search results 382 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:09,009 from other people. 383 00:14:09,010 --> 00:14:11,019 Basically an overlay network just before 384 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:12,699 the search engine kicks in. 385 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:14,829 So your queries 386 00:14:14,830 --> 00:14:17,289 end up with other people and are relayed 387 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:19,179 without you being able to see them. 388 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:21,689 And without them being able to see them 389 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:23,319 and you relay other people's queries in 390 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,599 that way, you confuse the eyes 391 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,059 and get a privacy conscious, 392 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:29,319 distributed search 393 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:32,829 technology, open food 394 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:33,830 facts. This is 395 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,039 an amazing library of something like 396 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,849 650000 thousand foods 397 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:42,709 that that you can look into. 398 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:44,649 And obviously those foods are 399 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,229 all the things that you want to know 400 00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:49,539 about allergies, about maybe 401 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:51,699 ethical things or about where 402 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:52,629 they come from. 403 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:54,319 All these things will be combined in a in 404 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,379 a in a personalized search environment 405 00:14:56,380 --> 00:14:57,380 that you can use. 406 00:14:58,630 --> 00:15:00,699 And Yahtzee, which is a well-known 407 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,719 peer to peer search project for a long 408 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,079 time, is going to build 409 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,879 capacity for people to actually set up an 410 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,219 instant search shop 411 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:11,139 where you can where you can index stuff 412 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:12,399 for people if you don't have the 413 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,679 knowledge and including 414 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,019 the whole fulfillment so as to create 415 00:15:17,020 --> 00:15:19,090 an army of search providers. 416 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,369 And then the next next hour, folks 417 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:25,289 who created previously the Flex Search 418 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:27,089 Project, which is quite a well-known 419 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:29,249 project, they're now trying to create 420 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:31,379 a search 421 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:33,659 engine mechanism that doesn't just favor 422 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:36,359 the biggest bookstore from Washington 423 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,499 all the time. 424 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:39,779 So they will experiment with new ranking 425 00:15:39,780 --> 00:15:40,780 algorithms. 426 00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:45,999 Applications. 427 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,829 We have plenty to San Francisco. 428 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:49,749 Silk Server is not a really well-known 429 00:15:49,750 --> 00:15:51,969 project just yet, but we think it should 430 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:53,259 be because it's an open source 431 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:55,419 conferencing conferencing server, 432 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:56,889 just like the ones that people use from 433 00:15:56,890 --> 00:15:58,509 the big vendors. 434 00:15:58,510 --> 00:16:00,609 But it actually it's very much standards 435 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:03,389 driven. So it can use XP, it can use SIP. 436 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:05,529 And if you use Web RTC and 437 00:16:05,530 --> 00:16:07,179 it's encrypted, it has in session 438 00:16:07,180 --> 00:16:09,489 uploads, it can do a screen sharing 439 00:16:09,490 --> 00:16:10,709 and chat. 440 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:12,620 And in general, it's it's a cool thing. 441 00:16:14,510 --> 00:16:17,240 And to N Sync is a is a protocol. 442 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:21,019 Well, that starts with the basic premise 443 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:22,609 that if you are 444 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:25,759 using a cloud holster to 445 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,769 put your calendar and your 446 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,279 your address book in, why should they be 447 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,259 able to read what you put in? 448 00:16:33,260 --> 00:16:35,089 Why can't you just lock the black book 449 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:36,949 before you send it there and get it to 450 00:16:36,950 --> 00:16:39,229 sync? Is is just doing that 451 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:41,839 and it has applications for all the 452 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,399 larger platforms. 453 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,869 If you're involved, one of the smaller 454 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:47,589 platforms like sailfish 455 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:49,789 or else approach us and maybe 456 00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:51,109 we're able to fund YouTube because we 457 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:53,849 love the smaller platforms, you'll see 458 00:16:53,850 --> 00:16:55,010 a clip that is 459 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,120 after 460 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,319 we all started using ether 461 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,519 pad. 462 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,399 We we did realize that 463 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,259 that ended up with clear text on the 464 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:07,338 other end. 465 00:17:07,339 --> 00:17:09,259 So crit that is doing a wonderful thing 466 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:11,029 where they encrypt all the data client 467 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,199 side gives you 468 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,259 a collaborative editing on spreadsheets, 469 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:17,029 on text documents. 470 00:17:17,030 --> 00:17:19,160 I'm pulling on all kinds of things, 471 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:22,098 but the server is blind. 472 00:17:22,099 --> 00:17:23,419 It cannot see anything. 473 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:25,879 Everything is is 474 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:26,959 client side encrypted. 475 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:31,609 We also have a lot of cool fundamental 476 00:17:31,610 --> 00:17:32,869 stuff. 477 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:35,029 So for is Farish Powell 478 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:37,369 is made by a 479 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:38,279 Nadeem Kobayashi. 480 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,349 He's he's in the room. 481 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:42,019 So he's the creator of Noise Explorer. 482 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:44,239 And first Pal is actually 483 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,309 the tool that should has, as 484 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:47,749 I think, the biggest chance of making 485 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:50,419 symbolic verification palatable 486 00:17:50,420 --> 00:17:52,669 for normal people, because 487 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:54,439 we all understand that computers are 488 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,539 really good at seeing the flaws in our 489 00:17:56,540 --> 00:17:57,499 thinking. 490 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:59,719 So, for instance, this is how 491 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,939 Nadeem uncovered some 492 00:18:01,940 --> 00:18:02,940 holes in 493 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:08,179 proton mail and 494 00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:09,529 nicely reported them. 495 00:18:09,530 --> 00:18:11,669 But it's it's this is all of it. 496 00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:13,399 If you if you know anything about this 497 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,709 kind of proof, if you read the the the 498 00:18:15,710 --> 00:18:18,109 the manual, you'll be able to write this, 499 00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:19,400 which is which is pretty amazing. 500 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,539 So Rio is a 501 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:26,129 is trying to to get rid of the 502 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:28,319 shock mechanism that we inherited 503 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,409 from the very earliest BSD, which sucks, 504 00:18:31,410 --> 00:18:33,539 is you open something and 505 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:35,909 everything can start using 506 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:38,579 it as soon as they are your user. 507 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:40,679 So it's it's it's not good 508 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,869 and real wealth from actually 509 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:44,279 the center of mathematics and 510 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,319 mathematics, mathematics since come in in 511 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,049 the Netherlands or the FBI as it these 512 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:49,639 days called there. 513 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,449 They I think they introduced Unix to 514 00:18:51,450 --> 00:18:52,779 Europe and now they want to repair that 515 00:18:52,780 --> 00:18:53,780 flaw. 516 00:18:54,540 --> 00:18:56,759 Oh, Parks thinks A is a 517 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,039 project driven very much by 518 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,900 Hungarian cryptographers and developers. 519 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:04,589 And what they want to do is 520 00:19:04,590 --> 00:19:06,779 we still have passwords and it's 521 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:09,089 still a need mechanism. 522 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:11,159 But passwords shouldn't ever be 523 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,160 on the wire. 524 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:15,299 And they are still. So 525 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,519 by implementing both the password store 526 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,869 on the device that is is is 527 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:21,599 so good that you don't have to trust the 528 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,679 server on the one hand 529 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:25,919 so you can use a separate password 530 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,319 server. And on the other hand, 531 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,640 you have protocols 532 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:33,509 that unlock those 533 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:35,429 passwords for you, but they never get 534 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:37,019 stored at the other end. 535 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:39,359 So you create a system 536 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,879 where you have the the 537 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,789 benefits of something simple as passwords 538 00:19:44,790 --> 00:19:46,049 without the negatives 539 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,349 and or Sphinx projects is creating apps 540 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:51,479 for it to go with. That Agnew mess 541 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,299 is trying to solve another problem. 542 00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:56,519 If you if you're developing an operating 543 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,739 system, you will have to accept that 544 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,749 you can't just write code and then 545 00:20:00,750 --> 00:20:02,369 compiling. Because what do you compile it 546 00:20:02,370 --> 00:20:04,199 with? You will have to take on something, 547 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,359 what they call a binary seed, which 548 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,579 is something that has been going 549 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:10,619 on, passed on like a 550 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:15,379 like a KFC or plant from 551 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:16,799 from one computer to another. 552 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,139 And you don't really know what's inside. 553 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:21,149 So what new message trying to do is 554 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:22,919 replacing it all with a legible scheme 555 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,589 based bootstrapping system 556 00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:28,109 and also reducing 557 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:31,109 with a factor the dependency 558 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:32,110 that we bring in. 559 00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:35,839 Rover is a 560 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,999 developing robust 561 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,899 DHB C.P. 562 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:41,089 server and DNS resolve or 563 00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:42,589 as a unique kernel. 564 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:44,689 I think there are also people from Rover 565 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:46,909 in the in the room 566 00:20:46,910 --> 00:20:47,839 perhaps. 567 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,909 And the HP canon is trying 568 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:51,919 to implement something called the HP 569 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,449 Anonymity Profiles, which is a new 570 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:54,799 Internet standard that not a lot of 571 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,149 people are using. 572 00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:58,219 But it gives you when you when 573 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:59,869 your computer enters a network, it gives 574 00:20:59,870 --> 00:21:02,149 you just a little bit extra of 575 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:03,150 privacy. 576 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:07,819 The ARPA to project is a cluster of 577 00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:09,889 projects and it's 578 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:11,599 probably not everybody gets excited about 579 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,249 middleware. But if you think about it, 580 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:15,949 middleware is what's running pretty much 581 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:17,209 every company on the planet. 582 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:19,249 And we don't have it on Internet at 583 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:20,239 Internet wide scale. 584 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,649 So what what they're trying to do is 585 00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:23,799 actually quite fundamental. 586 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,800 For instance, doing 587 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:27,529 getting Curb, which is still in every 588 00:21:27,530 --> 00:21:28,730 organization on the planet, 589 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:32,749 is using two to make that 590 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:34,849 federate table and to 591 00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:37,339 to improve the security characteristics, 592 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:40,699 to integrate Sasol and 593 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,109 realm cross over, to 594 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,199 provide all kinds of filters to to all 595 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,599 that. So you can have 596 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,739 other people share bits of all that. 597 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:51,799 And and yet 598 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,999 keep some privacy there to 599 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,430 to to propagate 600 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:58,039 system settings. 601 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,109 So that, for instance, when 602 00:22:00,110 --> 00:22:03,089 you don't have to ping, say, Google, 603 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:05,269 which Web sites you don't trust, but 604 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:06,349 you can collectively 605 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:09,650 combine resources yourself. 606 00:22:11,060 --> 00:22:14,029 And of course, to make everything 607 00:22:14,030 --> 00:22:16,159 that has a user not have to have 608 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,109 a user database, because that is just a 609 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:20,119 stupid way of working. 610 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,459 And then to to to have access 611 00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:23,989 control that is actually clever and 612 00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:25,789 understands that you may want to not give 613 00:22:25,790 --> 00:22:27,909 out your real name or your 614 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:30,169 read your real identity to just 615 00:22:30,170 --> 00:22:31,519 anybody else so you can give out 616 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,619 pseudonyms but still have access control 617 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:34,620 on those. 618 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,289 Autocrat is a is a is a 619 00:22:39,290 --> 00:22:41,479 a male specification. 620 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,939 We've had open TGP for 621 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:44,959 a long time. 622 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,179 It didn't get traction beyond the few 623 00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:48,799 million people. We have a few billion 624 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,999 people on the Internet. 625 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,249 So we need to reinvent the protocol. 626 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:53,509 And that's what Art Crypto is doing. 627 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:55,969 We're funding a number of smaller 628 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:58,129 projects around that to make sure that 629 00:22:58,130 --> 00:23:00,409 this this specification, which is already 630 00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:03,229 supported by many others, is 631 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:04,490 getting this critical uptake. 632 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:09,279 Identity based encryption and 633 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,529 regional attributes are two projects that 634 00:23:12,610 --> 00:23:14,229 are independent. But when they are 635 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:16,689 combined, have a beautiful 636 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:19,299 synergistic value because 637 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,129 I reveal my attributes as is something 638 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:23,049 where you can prove to somebody that, for 639 00:23:23,050 --> 00:23:25,059 instance, you're 18 years old or to prove 640 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:27,399 that you're German or to prove that you 641 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,219 you have a dog and you paid your license, 642 00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:31,599 but nothing else. So you don't have to 643 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,649 give your name. You don't have to show 644 00:23:32,650 --> 00:23:34,359 your passport that has your photo on it, 645 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,429 that has all these other 646 00:23:36,430 --> 00:23:38,619 things about you, including 647 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:40,719 biomedical details, but just that 648 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,059 single attribute. You can take it out 649 00:23:43,060 --> 00:23:44,619 of the context so you can. 650 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:45,939 This is something you can carry along. 651 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:48,069 You prove it once and then a year later 652 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:50,199 you can prove it, which is 653 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,639 is very different from this. 654 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,889 This real world checking 655 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,229 that all the background to 656 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:58,749 identity management, the perpetrators 657 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:00,939 are using an identity based 658 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,279 encryption is really cool because 659 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,439 it allows you to encrypt stuff the first 660 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,880 time before you meet people. 661 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:09,489 And then there is a secure mechanism for 662 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,419 people to resolve this. 663 00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:11,619 And this will be combined with this 664 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:12,519 attribute mechanism. 665 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,649 So you can say the person with passport 666 00:24:14,650 --> 00:24:17,230 X, if you would know their passport 667 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,519 can can open this email and nobody else 668 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:21,999 can. 669 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,289 And the encryption behind 670 00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:25,929 that would be automatically taken off by 671 00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:27,250 very good cryptographers. 672 00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:30,999 We have a few mobile operating systems, 673 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,619 small operators. We love independent 674 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:33,519 mobile operating systems. 675 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,949 So Replicant is 676 00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:38,199 trying to get a fully free Android 677 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,200 distribution. 678 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:43,259 Mimo Lester is trying to revive 679 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:45,909 the the memo ecosystem 680 00:24:45,910 --> 00:24:47,949 that was well, that the legacy of the 681 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:49,779 Nokia phones and trying to get that user 682 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:51,250 experience into modern phones, 683 00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:54,159 the mega 65. 684 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,019 I mean, if he thought that that Nokia was 685 00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:58,169 sentimental, then the mega 65 maturely 686 00:24:58,170 --> 00:24:59,949 B, be rocking your world because that's 687 00:24:59,950 --> 00:25:02,609 going back to the Commodore 65 688 00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:05,679 and they want to create it. 689 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,779 There was actually a talk here at bay 690 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:08,849 by Paul Gartner, Steven. 691 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,409 They want to create a phone that is 692 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:12,939 simple enough for people to actually 693 00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:14,919 understand because nobody can understand 694 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,019 these these other phones, but they 695 00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:17,949 used to be simple. 696 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:20,139 So why can't we just have devices that 697 00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:21,190 do, though, those things 698 00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:25,119 on the other end of the spectrum? 699 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,189 Completely looking forward stuff 700 00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:28,539 is mobile. Makes us. 701 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,149 I don't know if people know the nexus 702 00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:32,799 ecosystem, but. But Nick says it is an 703 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,659 amazing, amazing next generation package 704 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:35,660 manager. 705 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,499 And if 706 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:40,629 they can support it, then you 707 00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:43,089 can unlock about 50000 packages 708 00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:45,249 at Nick's also supporting 709 00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:46,450 on those devices. 710 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,629 We have a lot of open hardware projects, 711 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:51,789 too. So, for instance, the nitro key used 712 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:53,889 to be the crypto stick. 713 00:25:53,890 --> 00:25:55,570 It's an open hardware use be key. 714 00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:59,109 We have an open hardware laptop which 715 00:25:59,110 --> 00:26:01,209 is going to either based itself on either 716 00:26:01,210 --> 00:26:03,279 risk five or open power. 717 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,499 And it wants to be secure, 718 00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,569 fast, inexpensive, open, robust, 719 00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:09,909 agreeable and sustainable and not 720 00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:11,079 compromised on any of that. 721 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:13,929 We have to be trust device. 722 00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:15,939 So there was a talk about this from from 723 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:16,989 Bunny at the conference. 724 00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:19,059 So. So you've seen that we have a 725 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:21,159 project that's trying to get 726 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,119 a system on CHIP. 727 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,099 So basically, what that just like the 728 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:26,499 Raspberry Pi is a system on Chip. 729 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,169 You want to have something that is 730 00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:32,019 that gets IV 731 00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:34,089 and or open power, 732 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:36,639 actually, that that is fully, 733 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,409 completely open, including the GP. 734 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:39,520 You including everything. 735 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,959 Wishbone is a specification 736 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,209 inside those devices, inside 737 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:49,149 the system on CHIP. 738 00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:50,549 You need that kind of a system. 739 00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:53,159 But there's only proprietary systems. 740 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,689 They may be free to use, but you can't 741 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:56,220 change them. You can't modify them 742 00:26:57,510 --> 00:27:00,389 or actually 743 00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:02,249 look very well at the security or 744 00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:03,479 characteristics. 745 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,579 So we have a project that is trying to 746 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,079 add streaming to this wishbone 747 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,080 specification. 748 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:12,019 We have a project that is wants 749 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:14,319 to develop ASIC production flows, 750 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,489 so. So really make it possible for normal 751 00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:18,649 people that that 752 00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:20,089 are not willing to sign three levels of 753 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:21,250 indie s to 754 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:24,169 to produce a bit of hardware that they 755 00:27:24,170 --> 00:27:25,170 design themselves. 756 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,339 And I guess not a project very much in 757 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,559 that same vein is called the Silicon. 758 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,939 You have a number of projects from from 759 00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:33,379 that community. 760 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:35,479 Many of them are 761 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,650 actually linked to Germany. 762 00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:39,440 But it's a it's a global effort 763 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:42,829 to make truly custom design 764 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,489 period, and to to own 765 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:48,889 all the all the the whole stack. 766 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:51,319 Because if you design a chipset now, 767 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,789 what you do is you go to a vendor and 768 00:27:52,790 --> 00:27:54,949 that vendor will tell you, 769 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:56,229 just give me the recipe, OK? 770 00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:58,669 OK, I'll put in my own stuff so 771 00:27:58,670 --> 00:28:01,009 you can say tomato soup and it will make 772 00:28:01,010 --> 00:28:02,479 it will give you tomato soup, but you 773 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,480 don't know what they put it 774 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:06,180 in in terms of silicon then. 775 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,369 Including a standard library, including 776 00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:11,569 a place or a router. 777 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:14,900 And just to not be caught on a single 778 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:18,619 on a single project, the lead 779 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:19,989 to project is. 780 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,379 We're also funding them. 781 00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:22,430 They have an alternative. 782 00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:26,089 You feel as a backend tool. 783 00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:28,369 And they can also do placing a routing. 784 00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:29,839 And we don't want to be stuck with a 785 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,399 single tool. Instead, we want to have 786 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,439 multiple good tools. 787 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,649 Each do new things now 788 00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:37,609 and to come back to the pillars that I 789 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:38,809 previously sketch for the next 790 00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:40,459 generation. And I said we we will go for 791 00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:41,719 resilience, trustworthiness and 792 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,720 sustainability. 793 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,559 And when we when we wrote that, we 794 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,899 actually said in the inefficient 795 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,489 technologies embedded in concrete, 796 00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:51,199 circling in space and is increasingly 797 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,239 entering the intimacy of our human 798 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,399 bodies, little that we know 799 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,839 that somebody would propose to actually 800 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,669 make a pacemaker or find somebody crazy 801 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,499 enough to actually a patient that needs 802 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,689 it to actually consider 803 00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:03,829 putting that in their body. 804 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:05,979 But if you've seen the talk from 805 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:07,849 us, Anderson, there have been hundreds of 806 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:09,949 pacemakers recalled because 807 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:12,469 of leaky networking capabilities. 808 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:14,659 So it's certainly not a 809 00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:16,189 trivial thing to do it, but it's really 810 00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:18,529 cool. And it shows the importance of, 811 00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:20,629 well, getting this this this this whole 812 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:22,279 mechanism. Right, because you can't have 813 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,689 those risks. If you put something in 814 00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:25,939 somebody's heart, you have to rip it out 815 00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:27,589 and replace it with something that's not 816 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:29,749 a free like throw away 817 00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:32,029 my phone because it 818 00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:34,339 broken. No, you can't do that. 819 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,139 It requires every operation could could 820 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:37,399 kill people. 821 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,049 So we have a lot more projects. 822 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:40,249 I mean, this is just a tip of the 823 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,839 iceberg. That's why I call it a treasure 824 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,769 trove. 825 00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:44,059 You can find all of them online. 826 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:46,309 We have them at these these Web 827 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:47,310 sites. 828 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,569 And if you see those two logos anymore 829 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:52,469 where that's. 830 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:54,699 Well, we hope that people recognize 831 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,829 that as a hallmark of quality. 832 00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:57,719 We. 833 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,159 Nothing. They don't need to know our 834 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,759 names just to have the association. 835 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,949 Ah, shit. Interesting. Should look at 836 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:02,950 that. 837 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:07,199 Well, my time is almost 838 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,339 running out, so I want to give a big 839 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:09,809 thanks to the European Commission, 840 00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:11,669 especially to the DG Connect that that 841 00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:13,769 gave us this money to do this 842 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,159 without their support. 843 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,909 Now we might not even exist 844 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:18,910 at this point. 845 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,019 And the thing to remember 846 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:24,659 is all these projects need help. 847 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:25,830 They're not done 848 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,249 a done deal. This is not a product that 849 00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:31,379 we're that where we 850 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:33,089 can give. We don't have the money to fund 851 00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:35,399 all these projects to the level 852 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,169 where they need that they need. 853 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:38,699 So it needs uptake. 854 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:40,499 So fixing the Internet is a huge 855 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:41,399 collaborative thing. 856 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,979 And we we need all your brains. 857 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:45,479 Because the brains are the critical thing 858 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,480 here. 859 00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:48,679 To quote Dykstra again, the art of 860 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,089 programing is the art of organizing 861 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:51,559 complexity, and there's a lot of 862 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,089 complexity to deal with because you have 863 00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:54,919 so many dependencies and so many layers 864 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,049 of the system as you as you've seen, we 865 00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:59,489 try to bring together these things 866 00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:01,639 and and make them work together. 867 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,279 And that's the kind of a value add that 868 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,719 we try to give us as a funding agency. 869 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,140 But it's it's. 870 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:11,959 We need your brains and there's so much 871 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,999 work to be to be done on all layers. 872 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,489 If you are a legal person or if you're a 873 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:18,589 usability expert or a designer, 874 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:20,379 you've seen some of the logos. 875 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:21,380 They're ghastly. 876 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:23,879 Some people don't have logos. 877 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,519 Some people don't have any idea how to 878 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,869 organize a community. 879 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:28,939 So if you would want to 880 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:29,940 do something cool 881 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,589 and basically 882 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,469 there are so many opportunities on so 883 00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:37,849 many different layers, you can do 884 00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:40,519 internships if you're a student or 885 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,679 unemployed or but there's also some very 886 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,199 senior tasks that are that people 887 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,879 have lying about for which they don't 888 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,949 have the capacity to do because 889 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:50,629 they might be working for a nuclear 890 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:52,459 agency and have a good idea. 891 00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:54,379 So it's not like they can then quit their 892 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:56,329 jobs and tell the family, I'm going to to 893 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:58,429 do this full time so people 894 00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:00,769 can sometimes take money and 895 00:32:00,770 --> 00:32:02,269 look for other people to to work with 896 00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:03,889 them. So if you have an interesting one 897 00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:05,239 of the project showed or one of the 898 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,889 project on the website, please look at 899 00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:08,899 them. Perhaps. 900 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,969 Well, maybe next year you will be here 901 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:11,970 on the stage. 902 00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:16,189 The last thing I want to say is if you 903 00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:17,599 have a great idea, if you know somebody 904 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,739 else that has a cool project. 905 00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:20,449 We still have money for the next year. 906 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:21,979 Have a look at your open calls. 907 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:24,889 Go to this to this address. 908 00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:26,929 And I mean that that's the moniker is 909 00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:28,639 that we want to reinvent the Internet 910 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,769 because we believe that 911 00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:32,480 there's only so much 912 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:35,689 time before it's fossilized us and it's 913 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:38,569 so stuck in everything that is ossified. 914 00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:40,039 So if you don't change it now, we will be 915 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,569 stuck with it perhaps for a thousand 916 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:43,979 years. And it's sad, but 917 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:45,619 for us with the phone system, we got 918 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:47,719 stuck with something for 100, 150 919 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,859 years almost. 920 00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:51,079 So it's the 921 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,659 amount of devices that we're putting out 922 00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:54,259 and how much technology that we're 923 00:32:54,260 --> 00:32:56,239 depending on stuff makes it more 924 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,439 difficult to switch. So if we don't 925 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,440 switch it now, 926 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:01,999 we are there's no way we 927 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,189 can we can repair it later on. 928 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,469 And while the final quote from 929 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:08,149 Scott likes the tools that we use have a 930 00:33:08,150 --> 00:33:10,279 profound and devious influence on our 931 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,419 thinking habits and therefore our 932 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:12,420 thinking abilities. 933 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:15,559 The way currently the Internet works is 934 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,469 bad. It's broken by design. 935 00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:19,339 And I mean, there have been many talks 936 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,649 about this, but we need to do something. 937 00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:23,569 And we we tried to bring together so many 938 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:24,570 efforts. 939 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,379 We're not alone. There are other people 940 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,389 inside the next generation Internet 941 00:33:29,390 --> 00:33:31,699 initiative that are doing stuff 942 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,109 as well. 943 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:34,490 They have different methods. 944 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:36,799 They have different looks and feels. 945 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,289 So you can you can check them out 946 00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:41,119 in particular before January 4th. 947 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,229 You can help the folks at dropsy. 948 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:44,599 They're a marketing agency 949 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,289 and other agencies that aren't 950 00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:50,449 that first in understanding what 951 00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:51,339 needs to happen. 952 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,059 And they're asking literally, can you 953 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:55,369 help us to tell who we should be giving 954 00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:56,599 money to, what kind of things we should 955 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,099 prioritize? 956 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,099 If you have time, please look at that. 957 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,179 That that your eye and and fill 958 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:05,189 out the that that that that thing 959 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:06,319 and that some for questions. 960 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,049 OK. 961 00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:18,509 Questions. There are 962 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:20,609 three microphones, but I see 963 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:22,919 the signal Angel already has 964 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,079 two questions from the Internet. 965 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,849 Let's take the first Internet question. 966 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:32,959 Should be on. Okay. 967 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,599 The first question from the Internet is 968 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,879 how to make the public 969 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,009 mass twins sport adopt those 970 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:42,138 great projects and how 971 00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:43,670 well did you in the past? 972 00:34:45,469 --> 00:34:47,539 So in the past, we 973 00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:49,908 were kind of content that we were funding 974 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:51,408 all these amazing projects and we were 975 00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:53,509 trying to get them to to 976 00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:55,789 to to scale 977 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:57,349 technically. 978 00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:59,509 For now, we've actually changed 979 00:34:59,510 --> 00:35:00,999 our ways slightly. 980 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,629 And so one of the things that we do is we 981 00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:05,329 try to package everything inside 982 00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:07,329 at least one operating system called Nix 983 00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:09,589 Nix packages inside one packaging 984 00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:12,049 system. We help people with accessibility 985 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:13,760 is every project that we fund is getting 986 00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:17,329 fitted for accessibility and will be 987 00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:19,319 officially certified as that. 988 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,859 So that removes the number of blockers 989 00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:23,929 in terms of practical adoption, for 990 00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:25,429 instance, by governments because they're 991 00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:26,869 not allowed to use technologies that 992 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:27,870 aren't accessible. 993 00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:32,079 We help people build up communities 994 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,279 who have special community folks that 995 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,409 are good at community building. 996 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:38,779 So for us, this this the 997 00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:40,550 abundance of funding 998 00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:44,719 that we had for it for this short period 999 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,189 of this project is actually we're trying 1000 00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:47,840 to make the very, very most of that. 1001 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:51,439 And well, it's not 1002 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,539 been tried like that before, so 1003 00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:54,949 we'd like to give it a try. 1004 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:57,109 And also, of course, very much talking 1005 00:35:57,110 --> 00:35:58,489 to the people that need to adopt it. 1006 00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:00,409 So if you develop something that is that 1007 00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:02,719 is changing the routing 1008 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,819 of the Internet, then you need 1009 00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:06,079 to talk to the people that run the 1010 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,669 Internet. So the technical operational 1011 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:10,039 community. So we're very much. 1012 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,329 We have people that help with 1013 00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:13,219 standardization, really, really good 1014 00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:14,239 people that 1015 00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:17,749 know how to pass the mustard 1016 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:18,750 around, so to say. 1017 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,029 And yeah, 1018 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:24,079 if people have any advice on how to do 1019 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,239 any better, we'd love to know. 1020 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,399 So my email address is 1021 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,889 he let an dot an L just sent me a mail. 1022 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:32,509 If you think we're doing something stupid 1023 00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:34,219 or really think we're not doing anything 1024 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:35,220 that we should be doing, 1025 00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:38,779 by all means contact us because we're 1026 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,300 there to make it actually work. 1027 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,109 Does that answer the question? 1028 00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:44,110 Internet 1029 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:47,400 no feedback so far, but I hope so. 1030 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:51,479 Well, there are no questions 1031 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,549 in the room yet, so we'll take 1032 00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:54,659 the next one from the. 1033 00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:56,459 Oh, there's one over there. 1034 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:57,709 Sorry. 1035 00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:58,710 All right. 1036 00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,649 Are you able to talk about the size 1037 00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:03,779 of the grant that was allocated to no 1038 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:05,649 net in order to shore? 1039 00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:06,889 Sure. The average cell. 1040 00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:09,089 So the the the average sum 1041 00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:11,399 is something like thirty six thirty seven 1042 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,159 thousand euros. The total sum is 1043 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,869 eleven point two million euros for three 1044 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:16,870 years. 1045 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:19,259 That's from both projects combined. 1046 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:21,069 So each of them five point six million 1047 00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:22,709 euros. So we currently have under 50 1048 00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:23,879 programs running. 1049 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,409 So you can do the math and see that we 1050 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:27,569 still have money left, but a year 1051 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:29,099 from now that might be very different. 1052 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,479 And then you'll have to talk completely 1053 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,639 different shop because the way we do 1054 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,959 this is not common. 1055 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,699 I work we're quite proud that we think we 1056 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,069 kind of hacked the system into making 1057 00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:40,289 it a very easy 1058 00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:41,639 application procedure. You should be able 1059 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,679 to write this in half an hour. 1060 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,839 If your ideas are are clear your 1061 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,059 mind, then we 1062 00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:49,349 don't ask a lot of information. 1063 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,719 That's exactly what we're trying to 1064 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,549 to to do to solve this, to make it 1065 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:55,110 lightweight for the people that apply. 1066 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,689 And the amounts can be. 1067 00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:59,069 I mean, the smallest project we have is 1068 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:00,269 fourteen hundred euros. 1069 00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:02,459 The biggest project has 1070 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,679 now received a second grant 1071 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,269 and will ultimately end up with something 1072 00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:08,159 like 70. 1073 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,359 But it can theoretically can go up to two 1074 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,749 and a thousand euros can be individuals, 1075 00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:15,239 can be organizations, can be a monastery, 1076 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,759 can be a government, can be anything. 1077 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,139 We don't care as long as you make 1078 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:21,509 something and we pay you when you make it 1079 00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:22,510 and not before. 1080 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,360 Thank you. 1081 00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:26,969 And now with the second question 1082 00:38:26,970 --> 00:38:27,970 from the Internet. 1083 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,809 Second question from the Internet is, are 1084 00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:33,119 there any existing projects 1085 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,309 that you wish would join 1086 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:37,439 your initiative but haven't 1087 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,440 so far? 1088 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:43,279 That's a good question. 1089 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,280 Uh. 1090 00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:47,899 Well, I recently reached out to, 1091 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,029 uh, to, uh, to a number of 1092 00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:51,829 the smaller operating systems such as 1093 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:54,259 Sailfish and Mannix. 1094 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:55,609 Uh. 1095 00:38:55,610 --> 00:38:57,679 And I believe that they have some unique 1096 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,809 properties and we want to support 1097 00:38:59,810 --> 00:39:01,609 their work. But so far, not a lot of 1098 00:39:01,610 --> 00:39:03,079 people from that community are. 1099 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,489 I guess they're not used to being able to 1100 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:06,809 get money for the work that they do. 1101 00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:08,179 But, uh. 1102 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:10,639 Yeah. And in general, uh, 1103 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,379 the the the independent mobile operating 1104 00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:13,380 systems. 1105 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:16,369 Uh, that's 1106 00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:18,529 the thing that we're very interested to 1107 00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:19,530 see improve. 1108 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:22,630 But yeah. And 1109 00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:25,109 we are quite forward. 1110 00:39:25,110 --> 00:39:27,179 As soon as we see something, we also 1111 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:28,259 think people. 1112 00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:29,969 And then. 1113 00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:32,039 Well, one of the biggest way in which 1114 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,419 we retrieve a good get projects 1115 00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,509 incoming is that people 1116 00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:37,979 know good people. 1117 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:40,059 So people read about 1118 00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:42,149 just a day. They see the little logo a 1119 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:43,859 few times. And I think somebody might be 1120 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:45,959 crazy enough to fund my project 1121 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,519 or they might be crazy enough to fund my 1122 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,749 friends project. 1123 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,669 And that's that's the only we don't have 1124 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:52,109 any marketing budget. 1125 00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:54,329 So it's really word of mouth. 1126 00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:56,399 But in general, when we see stuff, people 1127 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,609 are quite willing to 1128 00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:00,689 to push new projects to 1129 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:02,669 us because, well, like I explained, it's 1130 00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:04,829 quite clear there's no 1131 00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:06,269 there's no spooks behind us. 1132 00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:08,459 It's all full in the clear public 1133 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,259 benefit organization. 1134 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:12,359 So essentially there's that 1135 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,529 we don't have a threat. 1136 00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:15,359 We just give you money for the good of 1137 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,199 the society citizen. 1138 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:20,039 So I'm not answering the question, 1139 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,609 unfortunately, but 1140 00:40:22,610 --> 00:40:24,779 thank you here for your talk and 1141 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:25,799 for the questions. 1142 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,229 Unfortunately, we run out of time. 1143 00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:30,599 I'm sure you can reach him 1144 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,879 on the Congress if he's still asking 1145 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,389 around and discuss 1146 00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:36,960 the topics further. 1147 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,469 If you have to leave now, please 1148 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:41,579 leave in that direction. 1149 00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:44,289 But first, give him some warm applause. 1150 00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:45,290 Applause.